(12-07-2015, 12:23 AM)Rotobeast Wrote: Might as well just axe the sub-forum, now.

(12-07-2015, 12:50 AM)Benton Wrote: Well, I wouldn't go that far.

But any time there are 4-6 threads on one page that are essentially the same thing, they most likely are going to get merged. Otherwise it chokes out any other conversations people might want to have. 

(12-07-2015, 12:55 PM)StLucieBengal Wrote: There is a thread about European politics and the future of the EU?

(12-07-2015, 01:00 PM)fredtoast Wrote: Yes.  The same one where you last posted the information about the National Front polling numbers in France.

(12-07-2015, 04:39 PM)mallorian69 Wrote: I don't know if it's been said before and i'm not going to dig through several threads worth of unrelated crap to try to find it, but who exactly are we checking with to see if these so called refugees are who they claim to be?

Are they calling up the Syrian government and checking with them? I highly doubt it seeing as how the Syrian government has more pressing matters, like a civil war to attend to. And even if they could get in contact with Syrian officials, does anyone think they would tell us the truth about any of these people? It's not like we were on great diplomatic terms with them before their civil war and are on ever worse terms now since we support the government opposition. They would be more likely to intentionally give false testimony to allow someone in that would do us harm.

How can you vet someone when there is no one trustworthy that you can contact to confirm that the information they have provided is correct?

Quote:Their first point of a refugee's contact is with the U.N. High Commission for Refugees. The UNHCR refers people to countries based on whether they have any family members there and where resettlement makes the most sense, say U.S. officials. If that's the U.S., then refugees are vetted by the National Counterterrorism Center, the FBI's Terrorist Screening Center, and the Departments of State, Defense and Homeland Security. Fingerprints are taken, biographical information is collected. They are then each individually interviewed by U.S. officials trained to verify that they're bona fide refugees.

Refugees from Syria are then subject to additional screening that looks at where they came from and what caused them to flee their home, stories that are checked out. All of this occurs before a refugee is allowed to set foot in the country.

(12-07-2015, 12:23 AM)Rotobeast Wrote: Wow.....
This is somewhat disappointing.
It basically killed every thread which had been merged.
Nobody is going to search  back through all of that.
Maybe sticky a few general threads on terrorism, ect..., but I'm not ever going to feel like contributing anything if I think it may get rolled up in some messy cluster.

Might as well just axe the sub-forum, now.

(12-07-2015, 05:15 PM)Benton Wrote: http://www.npr.org/2015/11/17/456395388/paris-attacks-ignite-debate-over-u-s-refugee-policy



There's always some kind of a record of existence. Birth certificates, employment history, medical records, social media. It takes some digging, but it's there, even in a place undergoing as much change as Syria has in the last several years.

(12-07-2015, 05:28 PM)GMDino Wrote: Which is why it takes almost two years.

(12-06-2015, 11:06 PM)Benton Wrote: Given the daily creation of some new terrorism/anti Islam/France terrorism thread, we're going to just roll it all into one. Unfortunately, creating a new thread every time some media puts up some story for or against Islam is burying a number of threads and interesting discussions.

In the future, please use your judgement to discern if something needs an entire new thread, or if it's more of the same. If it looks like more of the same with a cursory glance, there's a good chance it'll get merged anyway.

Thanks!

(12-07-2015, 05:15 PM)Benton Wrote: http://www.npr.org/2015/11/17/456395388/paris-attacks-ignite-debate-over-u-s-refugee-policy



There's always some kind of a record of existence. Birth certificates, employment history, medical records, social media. It takes some digging, but it's there, even in a place undergoing as much change as Syria has in the last several years.

(12-07-2015, 05:27 PM)SteelCitySouth Wrote: Calm your tits.....

(12-07-2015, 08:18 PM)mallorian69 Wrote: I don't know what Syrian birth certificates look like but the ones issued here in the states have nothing that can positively identify that the person presenting it is the same as the name on the certificate. No photo, fingerprint, or other identifying markers except maybe race (which would do no good since they are all Arabic). I can get a copy of anyone's bc here in the states as long as I know their name, place of birth, and date of birth as long as that person's records haven't been sealed by court order. I could then use that to try to claim I am someone I am not. If it can be done here it sure as hell can be done in a place like Syria.

Many of these people have no social media footprint, medical records, or employement history to cross check. And if they did how would you check anything besides social media? You gonna call up their Dr. in Syria and ask about their medical history? How bout their former boss, think he's going to give anything up, assuming you can even get in contact, or if he is even alive?

The fact is for the vast majority of these people there is no way to 100% verify that they are who they claim to be. Their passports, ID's and birth certificates can and have been forged and with no credible way to verify those documents you have to go on faith that they are who they say they are.