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RE: North Carolina House Passes Bill Voiding All Local LGBT Nondiscrimination Ordinances - fredtoast - 04-18-2016 (04-18-2016, 06:06 PM)bfine32 Wrote: Please list the rash of attacks on transgenders in the city of Charlotte, so we can discuss the protection issue. Before I do the work, are you seriously suggesting that transgender people have not been targeted for harassment and/or acts of violence because of thier sexual identity? Just want to get your position before I post the stats. Don't want you to try and weasel out with the old "I never said that." excuse you always use when I show how wrong you are. And why does it just have to be in Charlotte? Do you have any reason to explain why Charlotte would be immune from a problem that exists in many other places in the country? RE: North Carolina House Passes Bill Voiding All Local LGBT Nondiscrimination Ordinances - bfine32 - 04-18-2016 (04-18-2016, 06:29 PM)fredtoast Wrote: Before I do the work, are you seriously suggesting that transgender people have not been targeted for harassment and/or acts of violence because of thier sexual identity? Coupe things Dino: It has to be in Charlotte because that is where the ordinance to protect folks was passed. We can play the internet link game all day. Posting a stat that shows a transgender was reportedly assaulted in a bathroom in no way, suggests allowing them to use whichever facility they want would reduce it. If folks want to break the law they are going to break the law. RE: North Carolina House Passes Bill Voiding All Local LGBT Nondiscrimination Ordinances - GMDino - 04-18-2016 (04-18-2016, 06:06 PM)bfine32 Wrote: There is no and. It was simply explaining who passed a law first in this case. I could ask the same of you to list transgender people attacking people in bathrooms. Then we could discuss the lack of a need for the state government to ban the entire state from passing a particular law about a particular group of people within the state. If, as you imply, there are no attacks being taken out on transgender people then the law Charlotte passed is not more than a reinforcement of the idea that if someone looks like a woman they can use the woman's room (something that was probably happening anyway) without fear of having the police called on them. Easier on everyone...except people staring down everyone else int he bathroom to make sure they look "feminine enough" or "masculine enough". RE: North Carolina House Passes Bill Voiding All Local LGBT Nondiscrimination Ordinances - fredtoast - 04-18-2016 (04-18-2016, 07:04 PM)bfine32 Wrote: Posting a stat that shows a transgender was reportedly assaulted in a bathroom in no way, suggests allowing them to use whichever facility they want would reduce it. If folks want to break the law they are going to break the law. Derp. If transgenders are allowed to use the proper public restroom then no one will know they are transgender. Using the improper restroom is what lets everyone know they are transgender. But at least you do agree that transgender people have been targeted with harassment and acts of physical violence just because of their gender identity, right? No need to play that game anymore is there? RE: North Carolina House Passes Bill Voiding All Local LGBT Nondiscrimination Ordinances - fredtoast - 04-18-2016 (04-18-2016, 07:04 PM)bfine32 Wrote: It has to be in Charlotte because that is where the ordinance to protect folks was passed. This makes no sense at all. If a problem exists across the country then Charlotte has every right to be proactive in addressing the problem. RE: North Carolina House Passes Bill Voiding All Local LGBT Nondiscrimination Ordinances - GMDino - 04-18-2016 So, let's start with: does what the state did in fact protect innocent people from attack? have there been any attack? And how man other US cities have similar laws to the one in Charlotte? Let's go to a newspaper, in the city, for the report: Quote:In the fight to defend Charlotte’s anti-discrimination ordinance, supporters questioned claims that it would have been a threat to public safety. Read more here: http://www.charlotteobserver.com/news/politics-government/article70255967.html#storylink=cpy RE: North Carolina House Passes Bill Voiding All Local LGBT Nondiscrimination Ordinances - SunsetBengal - 04-18-2016 (04-17-2016, 04:42 PM)fredtoast Wrote: Yes. Good ole' fredtoast, now getting rich in the private sector.. RE: North Carolina House Passes Bill Voiding All Local LGBT Nondiscrimination Ordinances - bfine32 - 04-18-2016 (04-18-2016, 09:12 PM)SunsetBengal Wrote: Good ole' fredtoast, now getting rich in the private sector.. What part of this logic are you having trouble with: If you are a female that feels uncomfortable sharing a bathroom with a male, then you have "issues". If you are a male that feels uncomfortable sharing a bathroom with a male, then you need a law allowing you to use the ladies room. How much more simple can it be? RE: North Carolina House Passes Bill Voiding All Local LGBT Nondiscrimination Ordinances - Vas Deferens - 04-18-2016 (04-18-2016, 10:23 PM)bfine32 Wrote: What part of this logic are you having trouble with: Should have added a provision preventing the open cleansing of ones genitals in the common area of any bathroom facility just like they slipped the minimum wage piece in there on you religious 'peace of mind' nut jobs. Charlotte had a lot of promise with some big investments from the tech sector being reconsidered as we speak. Hope that aides these simpletons peace of mind. RE: North Carolina House Passes Bill Voiding All Local LGBT Nondiscrimination Ordinances - bfine32 - 04-18-2016 (04-18-2016, 10:56 PM)Vas Deferens Wrote: Should have added a provision preventing the open cleansing of ones genitals in the common area of any bathroom facility just like they slipped the minimum wage piece in there on you religious 'peace of mind' nut jobs. I assume that made sense in your head. RE: North Carolina House Passes Bill Voiding All Local LGBT Nondiscrimination Ordinances - SunsetBengal - 04-18-2016 (04-18-2016, 10:56 PM)Vas Deferens Wrote: Should have added a provision preventing the open cleansing of ones genitals in the common area of any bathroom facility just like they slipped the minimum wage piece in there on you religious 'peace of mind' nut jobs. Ironically enough, those same companies also seem to have no problem doing business with nations where homosexuality is a crime, even punishable by death in some of them.. RE: North Carolina House Passes Bill Voiding All Local LGBT Nondiscrimination Ordinances - Vas Deferens - 04-18-2016 (04-18-2016, 11:06 PM)bfine32 Wrote: I assume that made sense in your head.I assume you'd rather not think hard enough to understand it. Let's put it this way. You could poll 999 transgender individuals and and you, asking them the question "have you cleaned your privates in a public area of a restroom?" The answer would invariably come back... 1 (04-18-2016, 11:11 PM)SunsetBengal Wrote: Ironically enough, those same companies also seem to have no problem doing business with nations where homosexuality is a crime, even punishable by death in some of them.. I'm not talking PayPal. I'm talking a $B+ private company that is rethinking a current expansion in Charlotte that would have increased their footprint there ten fold (1k + jobs). Hope the morally straight laced televangelists can fill that gap. RE: North Carolina House Passes Bill Voiding All Local LGBT Nondiscrimination Ordinances - SunsetBengal - 04-19-2016 (04-18-2016, 11:39 PM)Vas Deferens Wrote: I assume you'd rather not think hard enough to understand it. Let's put it this way. You could poll 999 transgender individuals and and you, asking them the question "have you cleaned your privates in a public area of a restroom?" The answer would invariably come back... 1 Meh, it's just Charlotte. After all, they are home of Bank of America. BoA, was the 1st US bank to issue unsecured credit cards to illegal aliens, back in 2005? I personally witnessed a millionaire take his entire holdings out of BoA, and place them in a tiny local bank, the day after that news was released. During my years at the beach, I witnessed more than one Charlotte businessman explain that they were glad to cash out, and say good riddance to Charlotte politics.. RE: North Carolina House Passes Bill Voiding All Local LGBT Nondiscrimination Ordinances - fredtoast - 04-19-2016 (04-18-2016, 09:12 PM)SunsetBengal Wrote: How do you know they have issues? Because there is no possible risk of damage from being in the same bathroom with a transgender. They won't get hurt. They won't get ridiculed. They won't get ostracized. Absolutely nothing will happen. That is how is know they have issues. It is irrational. It is like being afraid of the color green. RE: North Carolina House Passes Bill Voiding All Local LGBT Nondiscrimination Ordinances - Vas Deferens - 04-19-2016 (04-19-2016, 12:08 AM)SunsetBengal Wrote: Meh, it's just Charlotte. After all, they are home of Bank of America. BoA, was the 1st US bank to issue unsecured credit cards to illegal aliens, back in 2005? I personally witnessed a millionaire take his entire holdings out of BoA, and place them in a tiny local bank, the day after that news was released. Sorry bud. Not talking BAC either. Note PRIVATE. But **** BAC too. Different reasons, but **** em all the same. RE: North Carolina House Passes Bill Voiding All Local LGBT Nondiscrimination Ordinances - fredtoast - 04-19-2016 (04-18-2016, 09:12 PM)SunsetBengal Wrote: So you are saying that the majority are the ones with issues, and the tiny, minute amount of the population that likes to think they are elephants, when in fact they were born donkeys, are the ones that are alright? Perhaps it is you, that is the one who has issues? You are trying to compare apples to oranges. People with gender identification disorder do have issues, but they don't try to punish or discriminate other people because of it. I can sympathize with people with gender identification disorder because they are not hurting anyone else. I can not sympathize with people who want to punish transgenders for no reason. In my opinion those type of people have issues much worse than Gender Identification Disorder. Only a very small percentage of the population have issues that make them unable to use stairs, yet all public buildings have wheel chair access. What kind of asshole would say "I don't like looking at cripples. They make me feel uncomfortable. Why do we need special laws for such a small minority of the population?" You know what kind of asshole would say something like that? The same type of person who would go out of his way to use insulting animal terms to describe transgenders. The same type of person who would smugly joke that Gender Identification Disorder was something made up or imaginary that could be turned on and off just to use the public restroom of the opposite sex. RE: North Carolina House Passes Bill Voiding All Local LGBT Nondiscrimination Ordinances - Vas Deferens - 04-19-2016 (04-19-2016, 12:38 AM)fredtoast Wrote: Because there is no possible risk of damage from being in the same bathroom with a transgender. They won't get hurt. They won't get ridiculed. They won't get ostracized. Absolutely nothing will happen. Or believing in a virgin birth. RE: North Carolina House Passes Bill Voiding All Local LGBT Nondiscrimination Ordinances - Griever - 04-19-2016 isnt it ironic that republicans cry about federal government overreach, by getting into the states business, and then the state government does the same with with the local cities business RE: North Carolina House Passes Bill Voiding All Local LGBT Nondiscrimination Ordinances - bfine32 - 04-19-2016 (04-19-2016, 09:41 AM)Griever Wrote: isnt it ironic that republicans cry about federal government overreach, by getting into the states business, and then the state government does the same with with the local cities business ....and the liberals cry about it; it is ironic. RE: North Carolina House Passes Bill Voiding All Local LGBT Nondiscrimination Ordinances - fredtoast - 04-19-2016 (04-19-2016, 12:51 PM)bfine32 Wrote: ....and the liberals cry about it; it is ironic. Where is the irony in this. Liberals have always opposed government action that support discrimination. |