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RE: More "largely peaceful" Portland protests - Sociopathicsteelerfan - 09-07-2020 (09-07-2020, 12:14 PM)GMDino Wrote: What's the word for someone who loots, burns and attacks other people? I mean if just standing around with a firearm makes you a terrorist then the rioters must be double secret terrorists. Or how about terrorist supreme? I do appreciate your perfectly proving my earlier point though. Peacefully protesting while carrying a gun makes you a terrorist to the far left but physically attacking people, throwing molotov cocktails, looting businesses and committing arson is "largely peaceful" protest. The mask is slipping, and more people are starting to notice. RE: More "largely peaceful" Portland protests - fredtoast - 09-07-2020 (09-07-2020, 07:44 AM)TheLeonardLeap Wrote: "Portland, Oregon has quiet night after 100 days of protest." The article about a "quiet night" was from Monday the 7th. It was talking about Sunday night. The molotov cocktails and 59 arrests were from Saturday night. Reading comprehension has gone to absolute shit in the 24/7 digital age. BTW, technically a burning mattress is "quiet". You can't really hear one. ![]() RE: More "largely peaceful" Portland protests - GMDino - 09-07-2020 I wonder how much more peaceful the protests could be if the police went after the violent protesters rather than using their toys on the peaceful ones?
It's almost like they pick the low hanging fruit to pump up their numbers while escalating the violence. Weird. RE: More "largely peaceful" Portland protests - GMDino - 09-07-2020 (09-07-2020, 01:05 PM)Sociopathicsteelerfan Wrote: What's the word for someone who loots, burns and attacks other people? I mean if just standing around with a firearm makes you a terrorist then the rioters must be double secret terrorists. Or how about terrorist supreme? Oh, we always saw behind the masks. ![]() RE: More "largely peaceful" Portland protests - fredtoast - 09-07-2020 (09-07-2020, 11:00 AM)Sociopathicsteelerfan Wrote: It gets even more interesting when you contrast that with the media coverage of the Virginia pro 2A rally and the Michigan state capital protest. Events were there was zero violence, one arrest between them Number of arrests is really meaningless. Police usually don't arrest the people they agree with. Armed "patriots" surrounded the Kentucky Governor's mansion after a 2nd Amendment rally May 24th. This was after Bashear had been hung in effigy on the state Capitol grounds with a sign saying "sic semper tyrannis" around his neck. Basically a threat to assassinate the governor if he did not comply with their demands. But not a single one was arrested. However the governor was intimidated enough that he is now having a huge fence built around the mansion. Two weeks later unarmed peaceful protestors surround the Kentucky Attorney Generals house to protest the handling of the Brianna Taylor killing and 87 of them are arrested on felony charges. RE: More "largely peaceful" Portland protests - Sociopathicsteelerfan - 09-07-2020 GMDino, living proof that the left can't meme. ![]() Also, quit derailing my thread. https://www.oregonlive.com/portland/2020/09/police-arrest-59-a-new-peak-on-101st-night-of-portland-protests.html Fifty-nine arrested. But it's OK, they're the same as the troops at the Normandy landings. ![]() RE: More "largely peaceful" Portland protests - Sociopathicsteelerfan - 09-07-2020 (09-07-2020, 02:44 PM)fredtoast Wrote: Number of arrests is really meaningless. Police usually don't arrest the people they agree with. You mean police don't arrest people who don't break the law. Quote:Armed "patriots" surrounded the Kentucky Governor's mansion after a 2nd Amendment rally May 24th. This was after Bashear had been hung in effigy on the state Capitol grounds with a sign saying "sic semper tyrannis" around his neck. Basically a threat to assassinate the governor if he did not comply with their demands. But not a single one was arrested. However the governor was intimidated enough that he is now having a huge fence built around the mansion. I assume the DA later filed charges based on this criminal activity, correct? Oh wait, they didn't. Quote:Two weeks later unarmed peaceful protestors surround the Kentucky Attorney Generals house to protest the handling of the Brianna Taylor killing and 87 of them are arrested on felony charges. What was the law that they broke? You're back to this example where you refuse to actually provide the reason for the arrests and why they don't apply to the protest outside the governor's residence. RE: More "largely peaceful" Portland protests - GMDino - 09-07-2020 (09-07-2020, 02:45 PM)Sociopathicsteelerfan Wrote: GMDino, living proof that the left can't meme. Look, I know a lot of your brethren really are itching for a fight but the truth is there just isn't enough there to fight. https://time.com/5886348/report-peaceful-protests/?utm_source=facebook&utm_medium=social&utm_campaign=editorial&utm_term=u.s._&linkId=98926806&fbclid=IwAR2oaZcDZSOqZmHuwPXBRk_YEKykc4F87Pfdw-209nKGWrkyeaEaS3piBbU Quote:BY SANYA MANSOOR SEPTEMBER 5, 2020 11:47 AM EDT Your individual examples and willingness to ignore the escalation caused by Right wing agitators and the police themselves don't prove anything other than your own bias. While the rest of us have said the vandalism and looting at not right (even given the historical sense of how things have been changed via such protests) you have maintained one narrative that will disregard any and all facts to the contrary. I feel bad for you. RE: More "largely peaceful" Portland protests - GMDino - 09-07-2020 (09-07-2020, 02:44 PM)fredtoast Wrote: Number of arrests is really meaningless. Police usually don't arrest the people they agree with. Yep. The numbers look good but how many fire starters and looters have been arrested? That takes hard work. RE: More "largely peaceful" Portland protests - fredtoast - 09-07-2020 (09-07-2020, 02:45 PM)Sociopathicsteelerfan Wrote: Fifty-nine arrested. But it's OK, they're the same as the troops at the Normandy landings. Still nothing compared to the 1000+ arrests of protestors Birmingham Police Chief Bull Conner made in just one week in 1963. Now there is a guy all the "law and order" types would LOVE. RE: More "largely peaceful" Portland protests - Sociopathicsteelerfan - 09-07-2020 I must say, it is interesting the lengths the far left will go to justify their violence and paint those opposed to the violence as the real problem. Also, in comparing the current violence to WW2, the Civil War and the American Revolution they make a very compelling case for Trump to invoke the Insurrection Act. I'll now leave you three to your Mean Girls reenactment. RE: More "largely peaceful" Portland protests - fredtoast - 09-07-2020 (09-07-2020, 02:48 PM)Sociopathicsteelerfan Wrote: What was the law that they broke? Disorderly conduct. Criminal trespass. (09-07-2020, 02:48 PM)Sociopathicsteelerfan Wrote: You're back to this example where you refuse to actually provide the reason for the arrests and why they don't apply to the protest outside the governor's residence. Sorry, but I don't see why the same charges don't apply to both groups. The main difference is that the 2A group was displaying weapons when they committed the criminal trespass. RE: More "largely peaceful" Portland protests - Sociopathicsteelerfan - 09-07-2020 More people showing up to the nightly riots with weapons. https://katu.com/news/local/more-weapons-seen-at-portland-protests-experts-expect-more-violence On Saturday night during a declared riot, police reported that people were carrying daggers, knives and body armor. Police also deployed tear gas, the first time in weeks. Also, to preempt the predictable "whatabout" from the usual suspects, please name the last time a pro 2A assembly was deemed a riot. I know, they made you feel scared, but scaring you isn't against the law, hurling molotov cocktails, assaulting the police and arson are. Oh, and hunting (yes hunting was used deliberately) down a political opponent and murdering them in cold blood, that's also against the law. Interesting that the person defending that murderer hasn't commented on that case since. I get it though, defending a murderer is probably very embarrassing. I suppose the far left protesters were emboldened by those who compare their actions to our troops in WW2. RE: More "largely peaceful" Portland protests - Sociopathicsteelerfan - 09-07-2020 (09-07-2020, 03:02 PM)fredtoast Wrote: Disorderly conduct. Aggravated (displaying firearms) criminal trespass. Incorrect, and a simple google search would have revealed this. A more cynical person would accuse you of being deliberately untruthful because the actual facts destroy your narrative. But I'm not cynical and would never do that. https://www.latimes.com/world-nation/story/2020-07-15/87-protesters-arrested-at-kentucky-attorney-generals-home#:~:text=Gen.,Daniel%20Cameron%20in%20Louisville.&text=Eighty%2Dseven%20demonstrators%20who%20gathered,%E2%80%9D%20the%20prosecutor%2C%20police%20said.&text=Daniel%20Cameron%20on%20Tuesday%20afternoon%2C%20news%20outlets%20reported. Protesters were charged with “intimidating a participant in a legal process,” a class D felony in Kentucky that is punishable with one to five years in prison upon conviction. That charge is related to Cameron’s role as prosecutor of the Taylor investigation. As the governor is not a prosecutor, or otherwise involved in "a legal process" the protests outside their residence could not be criminal conduct under the statute the other protesters were arrested for. Hence your comparison is as inaccurate as it is misleading. Honestly, I'd have thought an attorney would have been able to figure this out. RE: More "largely peaceful" Portland protests - fredtoast - 09-07-2020 (09-07-2020, 03:14 PM)Sociopathicsteelerfan Wrote: Incorrect, and a simple google search would have revealed this. A more cynical person would accuse you of being deliberately untruthful because the actual facts destroy your narrative. But I'm not cynical and would never do that. Simple google search also shows that the people arrested outside the Attorney Generals home were charged with disorderly conduct and criminal trespass. Why not the same charges for the 2A guys who surrounded the Governors Mansion? I did not address the felony charges for exactly the same reason you mentioned here. Also I was wrong about Kentucky having an aggravated criminal trespass law for displaying firearms. Still the question is legit. Why weren't the 2A guys charged with at least criminal trespass and disorderly conduct. Based on the burning in effigy with the threat to kill the Governor if he did not comply with their demands (Sic Tyrannis Semper) they should have actually been charged with felony assault. RE: More "largely peaceful" Portland protests - Sociopathicsteelerfan - 09-07-2020 (09-07-2020, 03:24 PM)fredtoast Wrote: Simple google search also shows that the people arrested outside the Attorney Generals home were charged with disorderly conduct and criminal trespass. Because they didn't break the law. You already know why one group got those charges and the other didn't. Burning in effigy, or the sign around the neck, is protected speech as confirmed by the SCOTUS. Why are you anti First Amendment? https://supreme.justia.com/cases/federal/us/394/705/ Petitioner's remark during political debate at small public gathering that, if inducted into Army (which he vowed would never occur) and made to carry a rifle "the first man I want to get in my sights is L.B.J.," held to be crude political hyperbole which, in light of its context and conditional nature, did not constitute a knowing and willful threat against the President within the coverage of 18 U.S.C. § 871(a). I'll get some aloe vera gel for you. RE: More "largely peaceful" Portland protests - fredtoast - 09-07-2020 (09-07-2020, 03:45 PM)Sociopathicsteelerfan Wrote: Because they didn't break the law. You already know why one group got those charges and the other didn't. Burning in effigy, or the sign around the neck, is protected speech as confirmed by the SCOTUS. Why are you anti First Amendment? How was there no criminal trespass or disorderly conduct when they surrounded the Governors Mansion? They did not have permission to be there. As far as "free speech" not all hate speech is protected. For example burning a cross with the intent to intimidate is not protected speech and can be prosecuted. If the 2A crowd had just burnt the effigy then I don't see a good case to prosecute, but when they followed up the burning with an armed intrusion on the private grounds of the governors mansion I think there would have been plenty of evidence that they intended to intimidate and cause fear. RE: More "largely peaceful" Portland protests - Sociopathicsteelerfan - 09-07-2020 (09-07-2020, 06:09 PM)fredtoast Wrote: How was there no criminal trespass or disorderly conduct when they surrounded the Governors Mansion? They did not have permission to be there. Neither did the people in the gated community of the McCloskey's. How many of those protesters were charged? Quote:As far as "free speech" not all hate speech is protected. For example burning a cross with the intent to intimidate is not protected speech and can be prosecuted. Oh, the protesters burned a cross? Quote:If the 2A crowd had just burnt the effigy then I don't see a good case to prosecute, but when they followed up the burning with an armed intrusion on the private grounds of the governors mansion I think there would have been plenty of evidence that they intended to intimidate and cause fear. If there was then why didn't the DA file charges? Your story presupposes that the fact that the police didn't arrest anyone precluded charges from ever being filed. I have to say, Fred, you display an odd amount of naivete where criminal law is concerned. RE: More "largely peaceful" Portland protests - bfine32 - 09-08-2020 You want to riot, pillage, and burn? OK, we're not going to try to stop you. You want to peacefully assemble for a prayer rally practicing social distancing? Are you crazy, you'll threaten the welfare of our city!! https://mynorthwest.com/2146300/rantz-seattle-closes-religious-rally-allows-anti-cop-protests/ Quote:The City of Seattle completely fenced off Gas Works Park ahead of a prayer rally and peaceful protest. This was a targeted closure to prevent outside, socially distanced worship by Christians. It’s a new low for Seattle. RE: More "largely peaceful" Portland protests - michaelsean - 09-08-2020 (09-04-2020, 01:19 PM)Belsnickel Wrote: I missed all these. FWIW, it was Charlottesville, not Charlotte. Doh! |