(09-21-2020, 02:52 PM)Nately120 Wrote: Ida know, there are assertions that teachers are overpaid, lazy, and union-slugs and that public education is a bunch of liberal brainwashing...methinks there is more of a movement to undermine and undercut public education than you think.

(09-21-2020, 02:52 PM)Nately120 Wrote: Ida know, there are assertions that teachers are overpaid, lazy, and union-slugs and that public education is a bunch of liberal brainwashing...methinks there is more of a movement to undermine and undercut public education than you think.

(09-21-2020, 02:55 PM)PhilHos Wrote: Sure, people complain about public education but usually the answer is things like school choice/vouchers among many others. While you could argue that's an indirect way to "end public education", I still don't think it's on par with people calling for the abolition of law enforcement funding.

(09-21-2020, 02:55 PM)Mickeypoo Wrote: Maybe some of those opinions stem from stuff like this?

https://www.kusi.com/a-los-angeles-teachers-union-says-public-schools-should-not-reopen-unless-their-demands-are-met/

As far as the brainwashing, it's pretty well known that academia is very liberal and there are plenty of tweets and videos showing profs pushing a liberal political agenda.

(09-21-2020, 03:03 PM)Nately120 Wrote: I'm talking more about the propaganda against teachers.  That's been a noteworthy talking point of the neo-cons for about a decade by my count.  I'll admit some of the more vocal "haters of all things liberal" have been voicing what seem to be some very spoon-fed whining points about the situation.

I'm not comparing it to anything, I'm just saying there is long-term undermining of public education going on.

(09-18-2020, 07:52 PM)Sociopathicsteelerfan Wrote:  Replacing law enforcement with a community based "public safety system" is getting rid of law enforcement. 

(09-21-2020, 03:09 PM)fredtoast Wrote: No it is not.

It includes law enforcement to address criminal behavior.

https://www.startribune.com/minneapolis-city-council-votes-unanimously-for-proposal-that-could-replace-police-department/571504662/

Less than three weeks after they promised to begin work on ]ending” the Minneapolis Police Department, some City Council members pushed forward a new vision for law enforcement Friday that would still include officers on the streets.

The council voted unanimously to advance a proposal that would create a new Department of Community Safety and Violence Prevention. Within that, the city could create a division that includes “licensed peace officers,”


You are welcome for the education

(09-21-2020, 03:09 PM)PhilHos Wrote: I disagree. Yes, when it comes to secondary education, there's been many a talking point about liberalism running rampant on campus, but when I think public education, I think primary education (K-12). And I don't see the same type of talking points about public education being liberal or any of those other things. Heck, I've heard more people say teachers are UNDERpaid than overpaid. 

(09-21-2020, 03:15 PM)Nately120 Wrote: Hey, as a schlub who is married to a public education teacher I hope I'm wrong as hell on this one.  

(09-21-2020, 03:21 PM)fredtoast Wrote: Public education is socialism.

(09-21-2020, 03:19 PM)PhilHos Wrote: My wife is getting her degree so she can become a public education teacher. Give me 3 more years and I'll let you know. 

(09-21-2020, 03:09 PM)PhilHos Wrote: I disagree. Yes, when it comes to secondary education, there's been many a talking point about liberalism running rampant on campus, but when I think public education, I think primary education (K-12). And I don't see the same type of talking points about public education being liberal or any of those other things. Heck, I've heard more people say teachers are UNDERpaid than overpaid. 

(09-21-2020, 03:27 PM)Nately120 Wrote: How do you handle being married to someone who is so ultra liberal and brainwashed?

(09-21-2020, 03:28 PM)Belsnickel Wrote: I think you mean POST-secondary education. Primary is K-5 (or up to K-8 depending on the area) and secondary is 9-12 (or as wide a range as 6-12 depending on the area).

(09-21-2020, 03:31 PM)PhilHos Wrote: She's just started her 2nd year of education. She's not quite brainwashed yet.

(09-21-2020, 02:47 PM)PhilHos Wrote: Except no one's calling for an end to public education. 

(09-21-2020, 03:39 PM)oncemoreuntothejimbreech Wrote: Except those promoting school choice like Secretary of Education Betsy DeVos.

(09-21-2020, 03:40 PM)PhilHos Wrote: Getting to decide which school your child goes to equals getting rid of public education? 

(09-21-2020, 03:32 PM)Nately120 Wrote: You can't get your degree until you swear allegiance to Karl Marx.

(09-21-2020, 03:42 PM)oncemoreuntothejimbreech Wrote: If you're funneling public funds to private schools so people like Betsy DeVos can profit, yes.