(08-16-2016, 11:05 AM)Sociopathicsteelerfan Wrote: C'mon guys, it was patently obvious from the beginning.  The guy is on, what, his fifth incarnation on these boards?

(08-15-2016, 11:27 AM)Belsnickel Wrote: Those who commit violence in an effort to force political change should always be deemed terrorists. We need to find those committing, or advocating, the violence and charge them. Plain and simple.

Quote:Sister of Sylville Smith, the armed man shot by a black Milwaukee police officer, called out for rioters to stop burning down their own neighborhood, and go burn down the suburbs instead.

(08-16-2016, 12:24 PM)bfine32 Wrote: Should we start with the sister:

http://bluelivesmatter.blue/sylville-smith-sister-burn-down-suburbs/

(08-16-2016, 01:27 PM)Rotobeast Wrote: A. We're all "mixed".
B. We all need a culture change.
C. We'll never get there focusing on the verbiage utilized in discussion. (Although I do believe in being as polite as possible)

Let's say a person IS a racist....
Do you really think you're going to change their mind by telling them how terrible they are ?
I would hope not.
An angry mind is a closed mind.
Furthermore, unless you allow that person  totally free speech, you'll never truly find where their misconceptions are.

We need to be real with each other and not give into the fear or hate that has been ingrained.

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(08-16-2016, 02:33 PM)oncemoreuntothejimbreech Wrote: I don't recall telling anyone in this thread they were terrible. Simply acknowledged the elephant sitting in the room. I don't fool myself into believing I'll change the elephant's mind. I'm just exercising my free speech to say, "Hello."  We didn't have a civil rights movement because people ignored the problem.

Some of the people involved in the BLM movement could learn a lot of lessons from the nonviolent civil disobedience of the civil rights movement. From the six months that I was on Facebook, most of the stuff I saw from family and friends where I grew up about BLM was thinly veiled racism or just plain ol' fashioned racism. My wife read my feed and was like WTF. I explained that's what it is like where I was raised. It's one of the main reasons I got out of there. So in my personal experience with friends and family when someone is upset because it's called Black Lives Matter and not All Lives Matter it is because there is something going on there they won't admit to unless they are around friends or family. I'm not claiming that is true for everyone. Just among a great many of the people I grew up with. 

When someone gets on here and claims all black people in all black communities all want free stuff and it is bred into them; then I know exactly who and what I'm dealing with based upon growing up with them. Being raised by one. I'm not going to look the other way and pretend I'm not seeing what I'm seeing and hope it goes away. Not gonna do it. 

(08-16-2016, 02:33 PM)oncemoreuntothejimbreech Wrote: When someone gets on here and claims all black people in all black communities all want free stuff and it is bred into them; then I know exactly who and what I'm dealing with based upon growing up with them. Being raised by one. I'm not going to look the other way and pretend I'm not seeing what I'm seeing and hope it goes away. Not gonna do it. 

(08-16-2016, 03:03 PM)fredtoast Wrote: This.

I was not raised by one, but I was raised among them.

(08-16-2016, 03:03 PM)fredtoast Wrote: This.

I was not raised by one, but I was raised among them.

(08-16-2016, 03:24 PM)Rotobeast Wrote: I was raised by one.
That's why my feelings are what they are, about trying to change minds.

It's not about sympathy or ignoring anything, it's about real change.

(08-15-2016, 07:47 PM)djam Wrote: Did you know that Africa still has slavery to this day, and buys and sells their own people just like they did to a bunch of europeans back in the day, who eventually became American Democrats? Slavery still --their own people? Did you know that we were one of the very first countries to abolish slavery and it was the first republican president who did it? 

Did you know, that all those people have moved on in life, blacks can vote and even become president now. Are you suggesting we are still slave drivers? Because I actually agree with you. Democrats took them from the cotton fields and put them on the vote plantation. They give them "just enough" to keep getting their votes dont they? But they definitely make sure plenty of abortion clinics are setup in those neighborhoods, you know, of course. They have it all set up. The black communities are definitely living under chains right now. But you idiots want more of what has already destroyed them lol. Some friends of black people you guys are....

(08-16-2016, 03:50 PM)bfine32 Wrote: Open communication is key. Often times someone will clam up once they feel they have been attacked by using an incorrect phrase. I think we must realize that words are just that and should look more to the intent and motivation. Anybody that would label someone simply for the words they use are not approaching that subject with an open-mind.

I think have told my Of Mice and Men story about my first week at High School in Cincinnati. 

(08-16-2016, 11:05 AM)Sociopathicsteelerfan Wrote: C'mon guys, it was patently obvious from the beginning.  The guy is on, what, his fifth incarnation on these boards?

(08-16-2016, 03:50 PM)bfine32 Wrote: Open communication is key. Often times someone will clam up once they feel they have been attacked by using an incorrect phrase. I think we must realize that words are just that and should look more to the intent and motivation. Anybody that would label someone simply for the words they use are not approaching that subject with an open-mind.

(08-16-2016, 05:26 PM)fredtoast Wrote: That is exactly what I did.

This was not about a single word or phrase.  It was about a long rant where he made his intent very clear.

(08-16-2016, 05:43 PM)bfine32 Wrote: Well only you know your intent. Is your intent is to be productive or destructive? I've always been amazed by the spitefulness of the accepting in this forum. 

(08-16-2016, 05:15 PM)BmorePat87 Wrote: Anytime someone with a low post count starts spamming racist shit and talks as if they know Fred, it's pretty obvious what's going on.

(08-16-2016, 05:43 PM)bfine32 Wrote: Well only you know your intent. Is your intent is to be productive or destructive? I've always been amazed by the spitefulness of the accepting in this forum. 

(08-16-2016, 09:13 AM)fredtoast Wrote: The social programs have helped them more than anything the conservatives have suggested.

The African American community has a lot of problems.  The issues are very complicated.  But there is not proof that social programs are to blame.  There have been times when conservatives controlled politics in the United States and they did nothing to solve the problems.  If they have the answers then why didn't they fix things when they were in charge?

You honestly think blacks are protesting because they have job training programs and daycare assitance for working single mothers?  

(08-16-2016, 07:59 PM)Mike M (the other one) Wrote: Lyndon Johnson thought it was a wonderful Idea to give Single moms free welfare if they didn't know who the baby daddy was.....
 
This has worked out to be a major downfall of the African Americans. The majority of the kids have no idea who their daddy is. The problem is that he Penalized the mother's income if they married, so this led to many women not marrying in order to maximize their benefits and become Welfare Queens.

So yes, there is proof that a social program helped destroy their family unit. is it the sole reason? No, but a pretty big one.