(08-10-2015, 05:26 PM)Beaker Wrote: When we choose to remove someone from life support we make a choice that denies their right to live. When we execute criminals we make a choice that denies their right to live. If you believe life outweighs all, fine. But you can't then say some life has more right to live than other life.

(08-10-2015, 06:17 PM)jakefromstatefarm Wrote: So in other words, people that are using it as a form of birth control.  

(08-10-2015, 09:07 PM)BmorePat87 Wrote: Birth control prevents pregnancies. An abortion ends a pregnancy. 

(08-10-2015, 09:30 PM)jakefromstatefarm Wrote: When a child is killed for no other reason than inconvenience, abortion is simply post-sexual birth control.

 

(08-10-2015, 09:42 PM)BmorePat87 Wrote: lol

(08-10-2015, 09:55 PM)jakefromstatefarm Wrote: Great addition to the topic.  

(08-10-2015, 10:00 PM)BmorePat87 Wrote: You gave me your emotions and no facts so I did the same.


Am I suppose to take you seriously when you say that abortions are just out of inconvenience and ignore what birth control is?

(08-10-2015, 10:09 PM)Brownshoe Wrote: I was wrong about the heart starting to beat at 8 weeks. Its actually a little less than 3 weeks that the heart starts to beat. In that point in time it's alive. It meets all of the requirements to be considered alive (brain activity, heartbeat). At that point you are murdering something. That something is a human life. If it's not a human life then what is it, and what magically happens to turn it into a human?

(08-10-2015, 10:06 PM)jakefromstatefarm Wrote: I don't really care if you take me seriously. 

You're free to refute my point.  Do you seriously think that the vast majority of abortions are not performed because of the inconvenience?

Inconvenience can tie into many different scenarios, you know?  Woman is too young, woman still in HS, woman doesn't have the money, woman doesn't have a husband/BF, woman doesn't have a job, woman is more focused on her career, etc...

(08-10-2015, 10:16 PM)BmorePat87 Wrote: 3 weeks into pregnancy or 3 weeks as an embryo?

(08-10-2015, 10:18 PM)Brownshoe Wrote: after conception

(08-10-2015, 10:18 PM)BmorePat87 Wrote: I don't have to refute your claim as I am not the one making it. You can back up this belief that women have abortions with little regard if you want. Until you do, I'm going to treat this ridiculous statement as a joke. 

And your tone suggests that an inconvenience is something trivial, but you're citing hardships in life that would make it irresponsible for someone to have a child. 

(08-10-2015, 10:24 PM)BmorePat87 Wrote: So a woman has 2 weeks from when a pee test is capable of determining that she is pregnant to get an abortion?

And that's IF they take the test as soon as they can. Half of pregnant women aren't even getting symptoms by 5 weeks (conception plus your 3 weeks). Oh man, that would be awful to find out your birth control failed and you aren't able to get an abortion.

(08-10-2015, 10:25 PM)jakefromstatefarm Wrote: So you don't have to refute the claim, but yet you keep responding stating that my claim is false?  I don't really understand this line of thinking, but I digress.

Further, I believe that I did back up the belief.  I stated multiple scenarios that I believe lead to the vast majority of abortions, and all of them are because the pregnancy and childbirth would be an inconvenience to the mother.

As to your last sentence, it makes zero sense.  There are people that spend big money and are on waiting lists for long periods of time to adopt a newborn baby.  

(08-10-2015, 10:25 PM)jakefromstatefarm Wrote: So you don't have to refute the claim, but yet you keep responding stating that my claim is false?  I don't really understand this line of thinking, but I digress.

Further, I believe that I did back up the belief.  I stated multiple scenarios that I believe lead to the vast majority of abortions, and all of them are because the pregnancy and childbirth would be an inconvenience to the mother.

As to your last sentence, it makes zero sense.  There are people that spend big money and are on waiting lists for long periods of time to adopt a newborn baby.  

(08-10-2015, 10:32 PM)Brownshoe Wrote: The burden of proof is actually with the person who makes the claim. Meaning if you say something that's not backed up by facts then someone else can refute it by saying something that's not backed up by facts.

(08-10-2015, 10:29 PM)Brownshoe Wrote: Well the world is full of awful things.

Quote:BTW there are pregnancy tests that can detect after a week.

(08-10-2015, 10:47 PM)Brownshoe Wrote: You do realize that the article doesn't say that 54% of women getting abortions were using birth control right?