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RE: 2020 Presidential Election - BmorePat87 - 02-20-2020 (02-20-2020, 04:58 AM)Benton Wrote: Trump only won last time because of the electoral college. That could work against him this go round, as he's taken a mallet to a few of his groups that make up big voters in some states. Farmers, for one. Flip a couple of those fly over states and give the usuals to the Dems and he could win the popular but lose the EC. Which would be hilarious. 108,000 votes in 4 states out of the 137 million votes cast decided the election. RE: 2020 Presidential Election - CJD - 02-20-2020 (02-19-2020, 10:35 PM)TheLeonardLeap Wrote: Apparently Trump is going to lose no matter who wins the Democrat primary. For what it's worth, the polls apparently have a Margin of error of 3.3%, so that means Buttigieg, Klob and Sanders are right on the edge of that margin of error. The Bloomberg +7 result is the one I'm actually most confused about haha. Who is voting for this guy? He's Donald Trump Lite (with more money). RE: 2020 Presidential Election - CJD - 02-20-2020 (02-20-2020, 04:58 AM)Benton Wrote: Trump only won last time because of the electoral college. That could work against him this go round, as he's taken a mallet to a few of his groups that make up big voters in some states. Farmers, for one. Flip a couple of those fly over states and give the usuals to the Dems and he could win the popular but lose the EC. Which would be hilarious. I hope that people vote based on what Trump did (not) do for them rather than just sticking with party but, eh, I'm biased haha. A recent poll said that like 83% of farmers support Trump, even though there have been multiple reports about farmers being royally screwed by Trump's tariffs so I'm not sure what's going on there, but I think it's safe to say it's hard to predict what makes people vote a certain way. RE: 2020 Presidential Election - BmorePat87 - 02-20-2020 Bloomberg was grossly unprepared for that debate. That #MeToo back and forth was tee ball for Warren. RE: 2020 Presidential Election - CJD - 02-20-2020 (02-19-2020, 09:41 PM)HarleyDog Wrote: I haven't read the entire thread so if what I'm about to ask has already been discussed, I apologize. I have often wondered if the Bernie supporters are trying to vote him in to get rid of college debt and/or relieve the future college debt? Bernie speaks a lot about free, free, free. Yet I don't think he has yet stated how to pay for it? I also feel if he was elected, it would be similar to and independent gaining the seat and neither side would work with him. I know he claims to be democrat, but the democrats dislike him it seems. "Free" is just a short hand term. Nothing is free. Bernie is not proposing giving things away for nothing. He is talking about adding taxes and redirecting existing taxes to more helpful and useful things, such as eliminating college debt and supplementing medicare for all. He is also in favor of ending American imperialism and getting out of the endless wars and global interference campaigns the US has been involved in for decades. This will allow him to lower the military budget and redirect it to the American people. I think Warren said last night that her 2 cent wealth tax on any money made past 50 million dollars per person would single handedly pay for all student debt in America right now, or something along those lines. Bernie has proposed a 4% payroll tax to pay for about half of his medicare for all plan (in theory). The other half will be dealt with by a combination of things: 1. Fixing the price of healthcare in the country by forcing the hospitals and pharmaceutical companies to deal with a single payer (you can't compete insurance companies' prices against each other if there is no competition), which could potentially cut the cost of healthcare in half (America pays more for healthcare and drugs than virtually any other country in the world). The other benefit of single payer systems run by the government is they are not taking out profits like private insurance companies do. That alone will drastically reduce the cost of healthcare to the consumer. 2. The contributions that employers were previously paying on behalf of employees for their private insurance is converted to a public tax. 3. Increasing the tax brackets on the ultra rich, in addition to a wealth tax somewhere along the lines of Warren's 2 cent tax (I think Bernie's goes up to more once you reach certain benchmarks, so it's more progressive). 4. Re-establishing the estate tax for inheritances above 1 billion dollars. 5. Closing tax loop holes such as shell corporations and raising corporate taxes back up to, at a minimum, where they were before Trumps' tax cut. And I imagine he has some other ideas as well. It isn't clear if these measures will raise all the money he needs for every single venture he plans on undertaking, but they're going to be huge steps in the right direction. RE: 2020 Presidential Election - oncemoreuntothejimbreech - 02-20-2020 (02-20-2020, 01:08 AM)HarleyDog Wrote: ? Where were these questions when Trump said Mexico would pay for our border wall? So now that you’re not buying a plan involving Mexico paying for our shit, well do I have a plan for you. Tariffs. We’re going to declare a trade war against China. Impose tariffs on Chinese imports. China will pay trillions directly to the US government which we will use for free education. And a border wall. And mansions. Everyone will get a mansion. The best mansion they can imagine. Well, a mansion or free Medicare For Life. You pick which one you want. RE: 2020 Presidential Election - Benton - 02-20-2020 (02-20-2020, 07:22 AM)TheLeonardLeap Wrote: Yeah, it would be fairly hilarious because of how Trump hated the EC before he got elected by it and how much he suddenly liked it after. Meanwhile we'd get to watch Democrats in another Comey situation where they would cheer that they won the election, almost certainly ignoring how they railed against the EC and for a straight popular when they lost it. Well it's the method we use, but not the only method available. There's also, off the top of my head, the popular vote. We use the EC, but there are other options. To me it's more like: each team is allotted the same number of points based on yards. One team scores more and loses because the other team covered more dirt. I'm not opposed to either system as both have some pros and cons. Just 10 years ago I was in favor of a straight up 'you get more votes, you win' system, but America has become amazingly dumb and easy to fool in that time. (02-20-2020, 10:33 AM)Crazyjdawg Wrote: I hope that people vote based on what Trump did (not) do for them rather than just sticking with party but, eh, I'm biased haha. A recent poll said that like 83% of farmers support Trump, even though there have been multiple reports about farmers being royally screwed by Trump's tariffs so I'm not sure what's going on there, but I think it's safe to say it's hard to predict what makes people vote a certain way. I've been curious how that particular group is going to play out. I'm in a big soybean growing area, and that group has been hit hard by the tariffs. Drive by any of the local banks or auctions and your going to see a lot of farm equipment. I used to do a lot of stories with our state soybean council because it's in my coverage area. The last time I asked the director how things were going, her response was "our people have been devastated.' RE: 2020 Presidential Election - GMDino - 02-20-2020 Could have posted this in the "pike" thread too.. https://scontent.fpit1-1.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/86766374_10222535852972207_3522065249362509824_n.jpg?_nc_cat=105&_nc_ohc=zqF_zxdDg0MAX-zuFTp&_nc_ht=scontent.fpit1-1.fna&oh=1d6c9b0b73be7ed4830917f6db56833a&oe=5EC0B07A Quote:Russia Backs Trump’s Re-election, and He Fears Democrats Will Exploit Its Support RE: 2020 Presidential Election - TheLeonardLeap - 02-21-2020 (02-20-2020, 08:40 PM)Benton Wrote: I'm not opposed to either system as both have some pros and cons. Just 10 years ago I was in favor of a straight up 'you get more votes, you win' system, but America has become amazingly dumb and easy to fool in that time. America was always that amazingly dumb, we just didn't have the ability to fully appreciate without social media putting it all simultaneously on public display to the world. Same opinion with fooling people. It's not easier to fool people, but it's just way way easier to fool huge numbers of people at the same time now. You used to have to put work into it and go community-by-community. Now one submit button on your phone and you have access to tens of millions of people to fool at once all from the comfort of your couch. I've been riding the "social media will be the downfall of civilization" train for awhile. Pshaw to meteors, plagues, and nukes. Lol RE: 2020 Presidential Election - BmorePat87 - 02-24-2020 I went to the Buttigieg rally in VA yesterday. Just outside of DC. Pretty great experience. Over 7,000 there. It's easy to see how he appeals to such a broad base after hearing him speak. RE: 2020 Presidential Election - fredtoast - 02-25-2020 (02-20-2020, 08:40 PM)Benton Wrote: I've been curious how that particular group is going to play out. I'm in a big soybean growing area, and that group has been hit hard by the tariffs. Drive by any of the local banks or auctions and your going to see a lot of farm equipment. I used to do a lot of stories with our state soybean council because it's in my coverage area. The last time I asked the director how things were going, her response was "our people have been devastated.' In middle Ohio (around Columbus) there are fields of soybeans that were not even harvested. Another group that is probably disappointed is coal miners. They loved Trumps support of fossil fuels, but did not realize he did not care about coal. Cheap newly available natural gas is what is driving the economy and that will just keep driving coal miners out of business. RE: 2020 Presidential Election - CJD - 03-02-2020 https://www.politico.com/news/2020/03/01/buttigieg-dropping-out-of-presidential-race-118489 Interesting turn of events. I'm curious why he chose to drop out before Super Tuesday. Did his campaign just see the writing on the wall that it was a 2 man race following the South Carolina primary? Did he not want to endure the potential embarrassment if he didn't win a single Super Tuesday primary (which I don't think he was going to, based on polling)? Did he drop out to help another candidate? And if so, who? Was it based on a deal he made for a cabinet position with another candidate? It'll be interesting to see if he comes out with an endorsement before tomorrow. That may give us more insight into why he chose now to drop out. RE: 2020 Presidential Election - CKwi88 - 03-02-2020 (03-02-2020, 12:49 PM)Crazyjdawg Wrote: https://www.politico.com/news/2020/03/01/buttigieg-dropping-out-of-presidential-race-118489 Probably did it for the greater good of the moderate sect of the party. Look for him to have a cabinet position if Biden prevails. Edit: Klobuchar is out. Immediately endorses Biden. The moderates are falling into line. RE: 2020 Presidential Election - CJD - 03-02-2020 Amy Klobuchar has now dropped. https://www.nytimes.com/2020/03/02/us/politics/amy-klobuchar-drops-out.html It seems clear that the moderates are doing some wheeling and dealing to gain the majority over Bernie. It'll be interesting to see if they can entice Bloomberg to drop and endorse Biden. I doubt it, since Bloomberg is running purely on ego and dropping would be admitting he was wrong, something I don't think he'd be willing to do. But Amy and Pete dropping within 24 hours of each other seems to be the final stand for Moderates. RE: 2020 Presidential Election - Belsnickel - 03-02-2020 (03-02-2020, 04:15 PM)Crazyjdawg Wrote: Amy Klobuchar has now dropped. So this leaves: Biden Bloomberg Sanders Warren Just keeping track so when I hit the polls at 6 am I know what I'm doing, lol. RE: 2020 Presidential Election - CJD - 03-02-2020 (03-02-2020, 04:23 PM)Belsnickel Wrote: So this leaves: Yep. I really hope that Bloomberg and Warren drop, because then we can avoid the whole brokered convention thing and the people can legitimately select the nominee they want to run against Trump. It'll also completely remove the "Bernie got ******" narrative that really created some issues in 2016. But I doubt either one will drop in the next 24 hours. RE: 2020 Presidential Election - Belsnickel - 03-02-2020 (03-02-2020, 04:34 PM)Crazyjdawg Wrote: Yep. Bloomberg definitely won't, mostly because this will be the first time he is on any ballots. Warren potentially could. The writing is on the wall for her. I would not be surprised to see that announcement, today. RE: 2020 Presidential Election - CJD - 03-02-2020 (03-02-2020, 04:37 PM)Belsnickel Wrote: Bloomberg definitely won't, mostly because this will be the first time he is on any ballots. Warren potentially could. The writing is on the wall for her. I would not be surprised to see that announcement, today. I hope she does. Obviously, I'm biased though. I imagine moderates are hoping she stays in and continues to split the progressive vote, even if by just minor amounts. It seems like Pete and Amy may have made some deals with Biden and, perhaps, Obama regarding Biden's cabinet. I wonder if Warren has as well (in exchange for staying in the race longer). But that's just my conspiracy theorist brain working. Just a passing thought more than anything. RE: 2020 Presidential Election - fredtoast - 03-02-2020 (03-02-2020, 04:15 PM)Crazyjdawg Wrote: It'll be interesting to see if they can entice Bloomberg to drop and endorse Biden. Bloomberg could be like the high school dweeb who always got invited to parties because he was rich and bought lots of drugs, alcohol, and women. How big of a check would it take to get a Vice President Bloomberg? RE: 2020 Presidential Election - CKwi88 - 03-02-2020 (03-02-2020, 04:48 PM)Crazyjdawg Wrote: But that's just my conspiracy theorist brain working. Just a passing thought more than anything. This is what worries me most about it all. I fear that Sanders supporters will see this as a "fixing" of the nomination and hold that grudge in November. It's why I would really like to see the ticket reduced to Sanders and Biden yesterday. Let em have at it, and then make sure whoever loses still vocally supports the winner. It's the left's fatal flaw. While the right compromises on their standards and falls into line quick, the left is stubborn and sticks to their guns. |