(07-18-2015, 07:49 PM)Belsnickel Wrote: None of these are valid excuses to allow special interest groups to manipulate data, which is what would happen.


EPA regulations should be based on scientific findings that are peer reviewed. And most of them are. The problem is that some people that don't necessarily understand the scientific method or how to interpret the data don't like the findings and so rely on a minority of people that do have credentials in a vaguely related field (or one that just sounds similar) to present some contrary evidence for a straw man attack.

(07-18-2015, 07:56 PM)SunsetBengal Wrote: All they're looking for here, is transparency.  You know, one of the items that B.H. Obama ran his campaign on...

(07-18-2015, 07:59 PM)GMDino Wrote: No their not.  Their looking for a way to help their corporate masters. 

Which members of congress will be looking at the studies?  What is there background in the field?  Who is paying them?

Its politics to them.  Not science.  They don't give a hairy rats hiney about the data...all they care about is getting re-elected.

(07-18-2015, 08:07 PM)SunsetBengal Wrote: Exactly why everything should be transparent, it allows for question.  Wasn't the entire premise of the US to get away from rule without question?  Why do you have a problem with it, today?

(07-18-2015, 08:17 PM)GMDino Wrote: Because it will be business as usual with non-scientists deciding was is "right".  That has nothing to do with "transparency" and everything to do with politics.

(07-18-2015, 08:26 PM)SunsetBengal Wrote: So, simple transparency means that non-scientists will be making the decisions??

Do explain, I'm not sure that I understand why the American People shouldn't be allowed to read the "science" behind the EPA's findings.

(07-18-2015, 08:29 PM)GMDino Wrote: Because most of the America people wouldn't understand any of it...just the spin from the politician.

Heck there's a large percentage of American people who just believe God will take care of everything. And only a few of them are on the Science Committee in congress.

(07-18-2015, 08:32 PM)SunsetBengal Wrote: Lol!  You want to deny the public to information, because, according to you, they wouldn't understand what they read??

Glad that you aren't running for office...

(07-18-2015, 08:32 PM)SunsetBengal Wrote: Lol!  You want to deny the public to information, because, according to you, they wouldn't understand what they read??

Glad that you aren't running for office...


Edit:  And then there is this...

http://dailycaller.com/2015/07/17/satellites-earth-is-nearly-in-its-21st-year-without-global-warming/

(07-18-2015, 09:21 PM)GMDino Wrote: Scientific data and information?  Yep.  The average (or above average) citizen would have no idea what the numbers mean.  Period.

Let the scientists do it and present their findings.  You MIGHT understand that.  Except they have been doing that and the same people who now want to "see the numbers" have been denying the results too.  Without seeing the numbers.  

(07-18-2015, 09:21 PM)GMDino Wrote: Scientific data and information?  Yep.  The average (or above average) citizen would have no idea what the numbers mean.  Period.

Let the scientists do it and present their findings.  You MIGHT understand that.  Except they have been doing that and the same people who now want to "see the numbers" have been denying the results too.  Without seeing the numbers.  

(07-18-2015, 09:29 PM)StLucieBengal Wrote: They have been manipulating the temperatures to make their models look a certain way . They claim one thing and when it does the opposite they change to continue their boon doggle.

(07-18-2015, 09:35 PM)GMDino Wrote: See!  

(07-18-2015, 12:23 PM)Belsnickel Wrote: The problem I have with this is who decides on what is the best available science? I think that is the problem at the heart of this bill, because it sounds like the lawmakers want to be the ones making that call. Quite frankly, that is frightening.

Quote:As has been seen year after year, the warming of the Earth is causing major changes in many aspects of the planet’s climate, and 2014 was yet another year that showed this trend in stark relief, a report released Thursday says.

Numerous records were broken last year, according to the State of the Climate report, an annual checkup of the global climate published in a special issue of the journal Bulletin of the American Meteorological Society.

...

Earth’s temperature is rising: A direct consequence of the build-up of greenhouse gases is a steady rise in Earth’s average temperature from all the excess heat those gases trap and prevent from escaping out into space. Arndt called this temperature rise “one of the most obvious connections to a changing climate.”

Four datasets of global temperatures ranked 2014 as the warmest year on record (or tied for warmest) going back to 1880. A Climate Central analysis showed that 13 of the hottest 15 years on record have all occurred since 2000 and that the odds of that happening randomly without the boost of global warming is 1 in 27 million.

The year was also the warmest on record for particular regions, from California to Europe. A separate Climate Central analysis showed that warming made that record for Europe 35 to 80 times more likely.

Another aspect of the warming trend is the increase in the hottest days and the decrease in the coldest nights, which the new report showed was a trend that continued in 2014.

...

(07-18-2015, 07:59 PM)GMDino Wrote: No their not.  Their looking for a way to help their corporate masters. 

Which members of congress will be looking at the studies?  What is there background in the field?  Who is paying them?

Its politics to them.  Not science.  They don't give a hairy rats hiney about the data...all they care about is getting re-elected.

(07-18-2015, 09:53 PM)GMDino Wrote: http://news.discovery.com/earth/global-warming/earth-broke-multiple-warming-records-in-2014-150718.htm

(07-18-2015, 08:26 PM)SunsetBengal Wrote: So, simple transparency means that non-scientists will be making the decisions??

Do explain, I'm not sure that I understand why the American People shouldn't be allowed to read the "science" behind the EPA's findings.

(07-18-2015, 09:59 PM)SunsetBengal Wrote: Ha!  But, you seemed to ignore this..

http://dailycaller.com/2015/07/17/satellites-earth-is-nearly-in-its-21st-year-without-global-warming/

Quote:ABOUT US

Founded in 2010 by Tucker Carlson, a 20-year veteran journalist, and Neil Patel, former chief policy advisor to Vice President Cheney


Read more: http://dailycaller.com/about-us/#ixzz3gIMw6t4z

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