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RE: Australian woman in Minnesota calls cops then is fatally shot by one of the officers - Matt_Crimson - 07-18-2017 (07-18-2017, 11:34 AM)Sociopathicsteelerfan Wrote: Not a one, I can assure you. The fact that the officers were sitting in their vehicle while having this discussion exemplifies the fact that they considered themselves to be in a situation in which the potential for violence was non-existent. Sitting in a car seat is a horrible tactical position to be in. This would also explain why the body cameras were not on, as the idea of engaging in a behavior that would need to be documented was apparently remote. This leads to the shooting itself. The only way this shooting could be explained as anything other than a horrific blunder would be if this woman suddenly brandished a weapon and attacked the seated officers. Of course, the scenario does not easily (or at all) lend itself to believing such a thing occurred. You really have to wonder about this officer and his judgment. Yeah they would literally have into inject the use of cocaine or some other narcotic to explain away this officers actions. But then again, there are "sources" now saying that Matthew Harrity (the officer in the driver seat) has mentioned to people he's spoken with that he was "stunned" by what his partner did, and he was apparently just having a conversation with her by his window when Mohamed just decided to go all Rambo on her. Quote:This is a real no win scenario for this department. If nothing happens to this officer you get the standard refrain of officers acting with impunity and the trope of the gang in blue. If they go after this guy you'll get a, unfortunately not insignificant, number of people claiming the only reason they didn't protect him, as "they always do", is that he's a black immigrant and therefore expendable. Write it down now, you will absolutely see an article claiming exactly that on HuffPo or Vox if it goes down that way. Either way this plays out the department is going to be put through the wringer. Agreed. The sad irony in all of this is that the Minneapolis police department was being criticized for not having enough immigrants on the force. So what do they do? Well, they hire a Somalian (the Somali community is huge up here) and get praised for it. Now that guy goes out and kills some woman for reporting a possible crime. It'll be interesting to see what will be made of this. RE: Australian woman in Minnesota calls cops then is fatally shot by one of the officers - HarleyDog - 07-18-2017 This is sad. Very sad. RE: Australian woman in Minnesota calls cops then is fatally shot by one of th - Matt_Crimson - 07-19-2017 It is now being reported that the officers did turn their cameras on after Justine was shot and that Mohamed shot her after hearing a "loud noise by their car". http://m.startribune.com/minneapolis-police-officer-heard-loud-noise-before-partner-mohamed-noor-shot-justine-damond-minnesota-bca-says/435251273/ Quote:Officer heard loud noise before partner Mohamed Noor shot Justine Damond, Minnesota BCA says RE: Australian woman in Minnesota calls cops then is fatally shot by one of the officers - michaelsean - 07-19-2017 So is this the same police force that shot the guy who told the police he had a CCL and a weapon, and when the officer told him to show his ID he shot him for reaching for his ID? RE: Australian woman in Minnesota calls cops then is fatally shot by one of the officers - Matt_Crimson - 07-19-2017 (07-19-2017, 09:51 AM)michaelsean Wrote: So is this the same police force that shot the guy who told the police he had a CCL and a weapon, and when the officer told him to show his ID he shot him for reaching for his ID? Yeah pretty much. RE: Australian woman in Minnesota calls cops then is fatally shot by one of the officers - Bengalzona - 07-19-2017 (07-18-2017, 11:34 AM)Sociopathicsteelerfan Wrote: Not a one, I can assure you. The fact that the officers were sitting in their vehicle while having this discussion exemplifies the fact that they considered themselves to be in a situation in which the potential for violence was non-existent. Sitting in a car seat is a horrible tactical position to be in. This would also explain why the body cameras were not on, as the idea of engaging in a behavior that would need to be documented was apparently remote. This leads to the shooting itself. The only way this shooting could be explained as anything other than a horrific blunder would be if this woman suddenly brandished a weapon and attacked the seated officers. Of course, the scenario does not easily (or at all) lend itself to believing such a thing occurred. You really have to wonder about this officer and his judgment. The articles I'm seeing claim that it is only getting attention because the victim was white. It sounds like this guy had some flawed judgment. Of course the fact that the overwhelming majority of the time, cops make the right judgment is lost in the news and never really reported. Which is interesting since our society is built upon the fact that they do right and wise thing almost all the time. That's why it is shocking when something like this happens. I get that there are incidents where bad things have happened between law enforcement and minorities and that there are probably some racist cops out there (a reflection of society in general). But I also think that cops do make the best decisions overwhelmingly more often than these incidents occur. I'm also not convinced that there is any systemic racism in any of the various police forces. Rather, I think it is just a bad apple or two here and there. When I'm in trouble or see something bad happen, I'll stick to calling the cops to sort it out. RE: Australian woman in Minnesota calls cops then is fatally shot by one of the officers - Sociopathicsteelerfan - 07-19-2017 (07-19-2017, 11:43 AM)Bengalzona Wrote: The articles I'm seeing claim that it is only getting attention because the victim was white. Right? Because you never hear about it when a non-white person is killed by the police. (Note I am not accusing you of this, just pointing out the absurdity of the argument being made by those you referenced) Quote:It sounds like this guy had some flawed judgment. Of course the fact that the overwhelming majority of the time, cops make the right judgment is lost in the news and never really reported. Which is interesting since our society is built upon the fact that they do right and wise thing almost all the time. That's why it is shocking when something like this happens. This is why the whole outrage over police shootings has always rankled for me. They are exceedingly rare. Even the insanely biased Guardian had under 1,200 people killed, notice I didn't say shot, by the police in the past two years. Their methodology in this regard was so absurd they "counted" people killed in traffic accidents involving LEO's, people who died in custody from natural causes and people killed by off duty LEO's, such as a wife killed in a domestic abuse situation. "Counting" those types of deaths is clearly done to inflate an already small number to justify their sense of moral outrage. In addition, I could care less how many people are killed by LEO's in the line of duty, I care about the number of people that are killed that shouldn't have been. This would be a tiny fraction of an already minuscule number. But, outrage everyone! Quote:I get that there are incidents where bad things have happened between law enforcement and minorities and that there are probably some racist cops out there (a reflection of society in general). But I also think that cops do make the best decisions overwhelmingly more often than these incidents occur. I'm also not convinced that there is any systemic racism in any of the various police forces. Rather, I think it is just a bad apple or two here and there. When your on the job experience with "X" ethnicity consists almost entirely of gang members, drug addicts, thieves, out of control kids, equally out of control mothers, i.e. the worst examples of "X" one could hope to find, some people will comment on, or start to view that group, as a monolith. It's a very easy trap to fall into. Even so, the vast majority of LEO's do not. Quote:When I'm in trouble or see something bad happen, I'll stick to calling the cops to sort it out. Logically so, as the odds say you're going to survive 99.999% of the time. You have worse odds taking a shower or driving to work. RE: Australian woman in Minnesota calls cops then is fatally shot by one of the officers - Bengalzona - 07-19-2017 (07-19-2017, 12:01 PM)Sociopathicsteelerfan Wrote: Right? Because you never hear about it when a non-white person is killed by the police. (Note I am not accusing you of this, just pointing out the absurdity of the argument being made by those you referenced)No accusation taken. I have liberal and conservative friends and each side throws out propaganda that has to be either sifted through to find truths or discarded. This narrative of "because it was a white woman" doesn't hold water with me. [quote pid='400991' dateline='1500476470'] This is why the whole outrage over police shootings has always rankled for me. They are exceedingly rare. Even the insanely biased Guardian had under 1,200 people killed, notice I didn't say shot, by the police in the past two years. Their methodology in this regard was so absurd they "counted" people killed in traffic accidents involving LEO's, people who died in custody from natural causes and people killed by off duty LEO's, such as a wife killed in a domestic abuse situation. "Counting" those types of deaths is clearly done to inflate an already small number to justify their sense of moral outrage. In addition, I could care less how many people are killed by LEO's in the line of duty, I care about the number of people that are killed that shouldn't have been. This would be a tiny fraction of an already minuscule number. But, outrage everyone! [/quote] I would think that LEO's would be some of the most outraged when an incident like this occurs, despite their disciplined demeanor. Quote:When your on the job experience with "X" ethnicity consists almost entirely of gang members, drug addicts, thieves, out of control kids, equally out of control mothers, i.e. the worst examples of "X" one could hope to find, some people will comment on, or start to view that group, as a monolith. It's a very easy trap to fall into. Even so, the vast majority of LEO's do not. That has been my experience. Quote:Logically so, as the odds say you're going to survive 99.999% of the time. You have worse odds taking a shower or driving to work. Truth. RE: Australian woman in Minnesota calls cops then is fatally shot by one of the officers - michaelsean - 07-19-2017 (07-19-2017, 12:01 PM)Sociopathicsteelerfan Wrote:Did they throw George Zimmerman in there as well? RE: Australian woman in Minnesota calls cops then is fatally shot by one of the officers - GMDino - 07-19-2017 (07-19-2017, 05:41 PM)michaelsean Wrote: Did they throw George Zimmerman in there as well? Because he was pretending he was the law or because he got away with it? ![]() |