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RE: If a North Korean nuclear attack happened - Nebuchadnezzar - 08-08-2017 The United States calls China and says, "Hey man what's up? I've got a little problem and I would really appreciate it if you could take care of it for me. There's this little guy in North Korea, yeah, I need you to take him out in the next 7 days. If not, I'm going to have to do it and put in my own puppet government. Please be a dear and take care of this little problem for me, thank you." After that phone call, the United States calls South Korea and says, "Hey y'all, we share your little problem and maybe if you could send one of your guys over here, we can develop a plan of attack. I'm thinking we open a hole about 5 miles wide on the eastern most part of The North's side of the DMZ. This will allow your military to push north past Pyongyang and swing around to the west cutting off any kind of retreat." The the United States says, "We are hoping China will take care of it and we gave them 7 days but if they don't, you do what I said before and we will destroy North Koreas coastal defenses, land our troops and push east to Pyongyang. Once we meet up north of the North's capital, we'll take the city together and we'll allow you to march in first taking the credt." Sound good? RE: If a North Korean nuclear attack happened - Millhouse - 08-08-2017 Food for thought question: Let's say NK does not launch a nuke at us. But they keep up the rhetoric of destroying us with nukes and Trump gives the ok to launch a nuke strike on them first. Do you think the generals would go through with it? Or would they disobey a direct order from the President and refuse to do so? RE: If a North Korean nuclear attack happened - Bengalzona - 08-08-2017 (08-08-2017, 06:09 PM)Millhouse Wrote: Food for thought question: Having met some brother Air Force officers who did duty in the silos, I can tell you without a single doubt: when the launch order is sent, they will launch. RE: If a North Korean nuclear attack happened - Bengalzona - 08-08-2017 (08-08-2017, 02:16 PM)Au165 Wrote: ...and now we are here. We can't even find a meth house in the backwoods in Alabama. RE: If a North Korean nuclear attack happened - Au165 - 08-08-2017 (08-08-2017, 06:38 PM)Bengalzona Wrote: We can't even find a meth house in the backwoods in Alabama. A facility required to house and launch an ICBM is slightly larger... RE: If a North Korean nuclear attack happened - Matt_Crimson - 08-08-2017 (08-08-2017, 02:16 PM)Au165 Wrote: ...and now we are here. And now this was just reported. Quote:North Korea seriously considering strike on Guam: Reports, citing state media RE: If a North Korean nuclear attack happened - Matt_Crimson - 08-08-2017 Is it wrong for Trump to be threatening North Korea? Personally I don't think so. Was just watching CNN and they were reporting the breaking news of North Korea threatening to strike Guam because of Trumps war of words towards them and it seems as though people on the panel were acting like it's strange for Trump to be threatening North Korea when they've been threatening us for years and have never done anything. In other words Trump should just not respond to them. The problem for me is that although North Korea has be threatening us for years, they haven't been able to threaten us with nuclear weapons for years. That is a reality for us now. Here's an interesting chart.... ![]() Am I the only one that finds what's shown here disturbing? According to this chart Kim Jong Un has tested more missiles than both Kim Il Sung and Kim Jong Il combined and doubled. I don't see how we can just let them go nuclear and make threats towards us when they've clearly shown increasing destabilizing behavior. RE: If a North Korean nuclear attack happened - Bengalzona - 08-08-2017 (08-08-2017, 06:59 PM)Au165 Wrote: A facility required to house and launch an ICBM is slightly larger... An above-ground launch facility can be constructed rather quickly and under camouflage cover. It could take months to detect by satellites, if you detect it at all. RE: If a North Korean nuclear attack happened - jason - 08-08-2017 (08-08-2017, 08:10 PM)Matt_Crimson Wrote: Is it wrong for Trump to be threatening North Korea? Personally I don't think so. Was just watching CNN and they were reporting the breaking news of North Korea threatening to strike Guam because of Trumps war of words towards them and it seems as though people on the panel were acting like it's strange for Trump to be threatening North Korea when they've been threatening us for years and have never done anything. In other words Trump should just not respond to them. Yeah it's disturbing. The whole situation, not just the chart. These are two childish dbags fighting in the sandbox. We know very little about Kim, but we know Trump isn't really a thinking man. This kind of thing was my biggest concern when he was elected. He knows next to nothing about international relations, and is now engaging this other clown in a shit talking contest... And yes, he was wrong to respond in that manner. When you are the bigger man, you don't respond to some punk running his mouth with words. You ignore said punk, or you respond with action. RE: If a North Korean nuclear attack happened - Au165 - 08-08-2017 (08-08-2017, 08:15 PM)Bengalzona Wrote: An above-ground launch facility can be constructed rather quickly and under camouflage cover. It could take months to detect by satellites, if you detect it at all. We have drones today that can shoot images from 20k feet that are as small as six inches at high definition. If we want to canvas a country the size of North Korea we can do it in days not months. RE: If a North Korean nuclear attack happened - Bengalzona - 08-08-2017 (08-08-2017, 08:40 PM)Au165 Wrote: We have drones today that can shoot images from 20k feet that are as small as six inches at high definition. If we want to canvas a country the size of North Korea we can do it in days not months. Not quite. You know, the North Koreans do actually have an air force and air defense missile grid. While not as powerful and advanced as ours, they are more than capable of shooting down drones. Also, violating a sovereign country's air space isn't done lightly.... particularly a volatile country looking for any reason to launch a nuclear weapon. RE: If a North Korean nuclear attack happened - Au165 - 08-08-2017 (08-08-2017, 08:52 PM)Bengalzona Wrote: Not quite. The military currently has stealth drones. I'm not sure why you think we don't already fly spy missions over hostile air space. Being located so close to wright Pat most here probably know some people who are flying some of these missions already. We can get the information with some risks, but now is a time to take those risks. We can literally turn your camera on on your smart phone and listen to you through the on star mic in your car. We have the ability to see what we want to see especially when we have a good idea where it is. RE: If a North Korean nuclear attack happened - Matt_Crimson - 08-08-2017 (08-07-2017, 12:56 PM)Benton Wrote: I don't think anything in regard to NK can be attributed to anything Trump has done or not done. Going back 20 years, they threaten a nuclear attack on the US at least monthly. Hard to say anything in the last 6 months changes much the way the US reacts to NK. I guess my question is can we really respond with nukes? And at what point? I think one of the dilemmas facing the US if North Korea decided to launch nukes towards us is we would obviously try to shoot them down, but with that response comes the possibility of starting a conflict with Russia if we are not able to alert them in time that the missiles we're firing are intended for North Korea and not Russia. It's apparently a Russian conspiracy that the US will use a "defensive strike" to attack Russia. If the North launched a nuke some experts say that we would not have the time to alert the Russians before firing off our own defensive barrage because of how time sensitive the entire situation would be. RE: If a North Korean nuclear attack happened - Bengalzona - 08-08-2017 (08-08-2017, 09:05 PM)Au165 Wrote: The military currently has stealth drones. I'm not sure why you think we don't already fly spy missions over hostile air space. Being located so close to wright Pat most here probably know some people who are flying some of these missions already. We can get the information with some risks, but now is a time to take those risks. But we don't have a good idea where anything is in North Korea. And only a tiny percent of North Koreans have cell phones. Most are lucky if they have food. Consider our intel on Iraqi "nucyular weapons of mass destruction". How accurate was that? And we actually had access to some human intell in Iraq. We have practically no human intell in North Korea. They are locked up "tighter than a d*** headband", as my DI used to say. Our intelligence commuity can do some pretty amazing things. But they can't do everything. And like all of us, they do make mistakes and miss things. RE: If a North Korean nuclear attack happened - Au165 - 08-08-2017 (08-08-2017, 09:21 PM)Bengalzona Wrote: But we don't have a good idea where anything is in North Korea. And only a tiny percent of North Koreans have cell phones. Most are lucky if they have food. My phone and on star examples weren't literal in this case but showing our capabilities today. Our ability to gather intelligence in the last 5 years has grown 100x from the Iraq war. I know contractors in various parts of the military and I can say with no hesitation if we want to see somewhere in North Korea we can , and we can have it high resolution within days maybe sooner depending on how well we know what it is we are looking for. I'm sure your speaking from your experiences, I am only speaking from what I have been told by those who are involved in these kinds of things today. The reality either way though...this situation isn't good. RE: If a North Korean nuclear attack happened - Bengalzona - 08-08-2017 (08-08-2017, 09:32 PM)Au165 Wrote: The reality either way though...this situation isn't good. Definitely true. RE: If a North Korean nuclear attack happened - Dill - 08-09-2017 (08-08-2017, 08:10 PM)Matt_Crimson Wrote: Is it wrong for Trump to be threatening North Korea? Personally I don't think so. Was just watching CNN and they were reporting the breaking news of North Korea threatening to strike Guam because of Trumps war of words towards them and it seems as though people on the panel were acting like it's strange for Trump to be threatening North Korea when they've been threatening us for years and have never done anything. In other words Trump should just not respond to them. This increase in activity is in part a response to the US invasion of Iraq, which made it clear that the only way to CERTAINLY prevent a US invasion is have nukes. RE: If a North Korean nuclear attack happened - Dill - 08-09-2017 (08-08-2017, 09:32 PM)Au165 Wrote: My phone and on star examples weren't literal in this case but showing our capabilities today. Our ability to gather intelligence in the last 5 years has grown 100x from the Iraq war. I know contractors in various parts of the military and I can say with no hesitation if we want to see somewhere in North Korea we can , and we can have it high resolution within days maybe sooner depending on how well we know what it is we are looking for. I know contractors in the military who said with no hesitation that Iraq had WMDs. This isn't a matter of just "seeing" what is on the ground. If you live in a mountainous country with a paranoid xenophobic leader who is well aware of US geoint capabilities, where will your nukes be? Will you have a plan for what happens after a US first strike? I believe you will. RE: If a North Korean nuclear attack happened - Belsnickel - 08-09-2017 Has anyone mentioned, yet, that all of this is going on and there is no ambassador to South Korea nominated, or Assistant Secretary of State for East Asian and Pacific Affairs nominated? RE: If a North Korean nuclear attack happened - GMDino - 08-09-2017 (08-09-2017, 01:16 PM)Belsnickel Wrote: Has anyone mentioned, yet, that all of this is going on and there is no ambassador to South Korea nominated, or Assistant Secretary of State for East Asian and Pacific Affairs nominated? Look, Trump is smart and has the best words. He doesn't need people telling him what to do. Or give him information over and over. He'll consult with himself and then make the best decision that only he can make. ![]() Literally that is what people voted for. |