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RE: Clinton campaign and DNC paid for Trump Dossier - JustWinBaby - 10-25-2017 (10-25-2017, 07:46 PM)Belsnickel Wrote: ....and was more anti-Clinton than pro-Trump. I'm not sure this isn't just more a post-election perspective. Plenty of Russian fingerprints all over stuff to impugn Trump, ESPECIALLY the Dossier. That meeting Trump Jr. had with the lawyer - totally smells like a set-up (especially reading that email!). Then you look at this uranium deal and large donations to the Clinton Foundation.....Russians leaving plenty of breadcrumbs on both designed to cause all sorts of trouble for whomever won the election. RE: Clinton campaign and DNC paid for Trump Dossier - Belsnickel - 10-25-2017 (10-25-2017, 08:05 PM)JustWinBaby Wrote: Ehhhh, I'm saying regardless if it's 5 months or 14 months in, I think it's pretty curious to be examining/questioning the foundation of the investigation at this point. 5 months or 14 months in, you're not going back to the beginning.....on top of leaks the focus might be shifting, again, but would certainly be a plausible explanation of why you're interviewing Steele at this point. Steele's dossier isn't really the foundation of this all. It's going to be a part, because part of the information that was confirmed by our intelligence will play a role in all of this, but the dossier is only a small part in all of it. RE: Clinton campaign and DNC paid for Trump Dossier - JustWinBaby - 10-25-2017 (10-25-2017, 08:12 PM)Belsnickel Wrote: Steele's dossier isn't really the foundation of this all. It's going to be a part, because part of the information that was confirmed by our intelligence will play a role in all of this, but the dossier is only a small part in all of it. That assumes the FBI didn't already have the memo when McCain delivered it in October. It's also curious that Fusion GPS began working with the DNC/Clinton campaign in April, months ahead of the opening of an investigation into the Trump campaign. The FBI had been investigating Manafort back to 2014, but had suspended that by June of 2016. Then, in August or September, I believe, new FISA warrants were issued. Questions definitely need to be answered about the sources and justifications of these investigations. RE: Clinton campaign and DNC paid for Trump Dossier - BmorePat87 - 10-25-2017 (10-25-2017, 08:52 PM)JustWinBaby Wrote: That assumes the FBI didn't already have the memo when McCain delivered it in October. Because in August evidence was revealed in Ukraine detailing millions in cash he received from the former pro Russian Ukrainian government. RE: Clinton campaign and DNC paid for Trump Dossier - oncemoreuntothejimbreech - 10-26-2017 (10-25-2017, 07:18 PM)Belsnickel Wrote: No one here is saying that what was done by everyone involved wasn't shady as hell, or even possibly illegal on some level. We're just saying this isn't news. What is being reported in the article in the OP was revealed back when the dossier was really heavy in the news. Who benefits most by casting doubt onto the validity of the golden shower dossier by linking it to "crooked" Hillary? RE: Clinton campaign and DNC paid for Trump Dossier - JustWinBaby - 10-26-2017 (10-25-2017, 10:12 PM)BmorePat87 Wrote: Because in August evidence was revealed in Ukraine detailing millions in cash he received from the former pro Russian Ukrainian government. Like I said, they had been investigating Manafort for nearly 2 years - BECAUSE of the Ukraine thing - and dropped it for lack of evidence. What you're referring to may have been leaked/reported in August, but I believe that's actually the reason he had been under investigation initially.....it was something else that led to new FISA warrants. Similar story with Carter Page, who reportedly was also being investigated back to 2014. But the article wasn't clear on whether those FISA warrants simply renewed as part of that ongoing investigation, or if a new investigation was opened because of new "evidence". RE: Clinton campaign and DNC paid for Trump Dossier - GMDino - 10-26-2017 http://talkingpointsmemo.com/edblog/whats-up-with-the-times-piece-on-elias-steele-and-fusion-gps Quote:What’s Up With The Times Piece on Elias, Steele and Fusion GPS? RE: Clinton campaign and DNC paid for Trump Dossier - BmorePat87 - 10-26-2017 (10-26-2017, 01:41 PM)JustWinBaby Wrote: Like I said, they had been investigating Manafort for nearly 2 years - BECAUSE of the Ukraine thing - and dropped it for lack of evidence. What you're referring to may have been leaked/reported in August, but I believe that's actually the reason he had been under investigation initially.....it was something else that led to new FISA warrants. The ledger was revealed in August by a Ukrainian anti corruption task force, but I understand what you're saying. Steele did send the FBI a memo regarding communications in June or July. So it's a question of if that played a role. From what he has said, he leaked the full dossier because he felt there was no action on the information he found, so that memo may not have been the catalyst. RE: Clinton campaign and DNC paid for Trump Dossier - JustWinBaby - 10-26-2017 (10-26-2017, 02:17 PM)BmorePat87 Wrote: The ledger was revealed in August by a Ukrainian anti corruption task force, but I understand what you're saying. Steele did send the FBI a memo regarding communications in June or July. So it's a question of if that played a role. From what he has said, he leaked the full dossier because he felt there was no action on the information he found, so that memo may not have been the catalyst. What I read was intercepted communications on routine surveillance of Russian operatives is what led to re-opening the investigation of Manafort in June/July. Steele may or may not have had a role in that. It's possible we're both correct and the ledger was the basis for yet another FISA warrant. The justification for all this is only one of many questions that need answered. Personally, I think the Russians played Steele, relying on his past relationships thru MI6 to dupe the DOJ. And that's apparently just one of many balls they had in the air as part of their overall strategy to shake confidence in our govt and elections. RE: Clinton campaign and DNC paid for Trump Dossier - BmorePat87 - 10-26-2017 (10-26-2017, 05:18 PM)JustWinBaby Wrote: What I read was intercepted communications on routine surveillance of Russian operatives is what led to re-opening the investigation of Manafort in June/July. Steele may or may not have had a role in that. All in all, it was a general investigation into Russian interference which, campaign involvement aside, is something the intelligence community has agreed occurred. The root of all of that was the hacking of political party emails and websites. When you then have a campaign chair who has a history of off the books dealings with pro Russian groups, that opens itself up to further investigation, especially when, at the time, you only know of cyber attacks against the opposing party. There certainly could be a number of false flags, but too many circumstances exist to write them off without a proper investigation. A feel like there would have been a lot less fuel on this if they never pegged Manafort for the campaign chair job or if Trump Jr wasn't a ***** moron and lied about meeting Russians regarding getting dirt on Hillary. Shit like this coming up just fans the flames RE: Clinton campaign and DNC paid for Trump Dossier - Griever - 10-27-2017 who cares who paid for it? we shoud be concerned if this stuff is real and factual, not with who paid for it RE: Clinton campaign and DNC paid for Trump Dossier - oncemoreuntothejimbreech - 10-27-2017 (10-27-2017, 01:50 AM)Griever Wrote: who cares who paid for it? we shoud be concerned if this stuff is real and factual, not with who paid for it But, if crooked Hillary paid for it then everyone will know it is all lies. RE: Clinton campaign and DNC paid for Trump Dossier - Vlad - 10-27-2017 (10-27-2017, 01:50 AM)Griever Wrote: who cares who paid for it? we shoud be concerned if this stuff is real and factual, not with who paid for it This fake dossier has democRAT fingerprints all over it... paid for by Hillary and the DNC as an attempt to deligitimize the election of a president, so it does matter. The reason this investigation continues to persist is because it has turned into strategizing a way to absolve Clinton and the democRATS from wrongdoing. This the mother of all scandals. Too bad Trump Jr.'s meeting with the Russians didn't work out for you all. You all thought you had something there didn't you? RE: Clinton campaign and DNC paid for Trump Dossier - Belsnickel - 10-27-2017 (10-27-2017, 01:50 AM)Griever Wrote: who cares who paid for it? we shoud be concerned if this stuff is real and factual, not with who paid for it This is actually the truth of it all. I mean, if campaign finance laws were broken, someone should face punishment, but who funded the research matters very little. The implication we are seeing from the media right now is that the DNC/Clinton campaign somehow manufactured this fake dossier to smear Trump. I can't see any other reason for this to be brought up than this. However, this is an illogical implication. One, the research was being done at the behest of a Republican donor to begin with. So far, Rubio and a rep from Bush are on the record denying it was them. There may be others. Second, if you think the grand master plan of the DNC/Clinton was to manufacture this dossier with fake, salacious information, and then hold onto it until after the election, you are a fool. I've heard both a person who was a comms person for Clinton, and one for Bush, say if they had been handed this prior to the election, it would have been in the hands of the media long before it ended up being out there. It amazes me how readily people expel critical thinking and logic when things like this pop up. RE: Clinton campaign and DNC paid for Trump Dossier - GMDino - 10-27-2017 (10-27-2017, 09:02 AM)Belsnickel Wrote: This is actually the truth of it all. I mean, if campaign finance laws were broken, someone should face punishment, but who funded the research matters very little. The implication we are seeing from the media right now is that the DNC/Clinton campaign somehow manufactured this fake dossier to smear Trump. I can't see any other reason for this to be brought up than this. However, this is an illogical implication. Do you think it becomes a byproduct of defending Trump for so long (in this case) that when presented with a story that most people knew about already the tic is to jump all over it, go all in, because they have trained themselves that the world is out to get him? Like you said, there might be a story in there about something. But the meat of it has already been in the media and well known. Yet the Trump supporters act as if this is the smoking gun that means the entire Russian collusion investigation (and any other investigation) is a witch hunt. And I'm talking about people I consider sane, reasonable people in most things. RE: Clinton campaign and DNC paid for Trump Dossier - Belsnickel - 10-27-2017 (10-27-2017, 09:06 AM)GMDino Wrote: Do you think it becomes a byproduct of defending Trump for so long (in this case) that when presented with a story that most people knew about already the tic is to jump all over it, go all in, because they have trained themselves that the world is out to get him? Not really. The reason I say that is because it's not just the people that have been defending Trump. There are media outlets that are very critical of Trump that are making these implications. I don't know what is going on, here, but it is baffling. RE: Clinton campaign and DNC paid for Trump Dossier - GMDino - 10-27-2017 (10-27-2017, 09:30 AM)Belsnickel Wrote: Not really. The reason I say that is because it's not just the people that have been defending Trump. There are media outlets that are very critical of Trump that are making these implications. I don't know what is going on, here, but it is baffling. Attempt to be "fair"? I've read a number of article that all say this isn't new news but the comments are still filled with the rubes who can only push their agenda and don't believe anything they read or see unless it agrees with them. Maybe the outlets that are trying to give facts/details are trying to educate or at least seem like the are covering it so the inevitable "no one in the lamestream media is talking about this" quotes can be headed off. RE: Clinton campaign and DNC paid for Trump Dossier - SunsetBengal - 10-27-2017 Interesting piece on this topic, written by WSJ. https://www.wsj.com/articles/the-coming-russia-bombshells-1509059214 Quote:The confirmation this week that Hillary Clinton’s campaign and the Democratic National Committee paid an opposition-research firm for a “dossier” on Donald Trump is bombshell news. More bombshells are to come. RE: Clinton campaign and DNC paid for Trump Dossier - Belsnickel - 10-27-2017 (10-27-2017, 11:05 AM)SunsetBengal Wrote: Interesting piece on this topic, written by WSJ. This is more making a mountain out of an ant hill. A telltale sign is in the last section when they talk about Obama official abusing unmasking. That was cleared up quite some time ago and was found to be much ado about nothing. This article was written with bias behind it and intended to continue stoking the conspiratorial flames. RE: Clinton campaign and DNC paid for Trump Dossier - Dill - 10-27-2017 (10-27-2017, 11:05 AM)SunsetBengal Wrote: Interesting piece on this topic, written by WSJ. Bombshells??? pop pop fizzzzz. |