(10-27-2017, 09:08 PM)Deanlj69 Wrote: I honestly would only consider Simmons. I also wouldn’t be against every assistant being let go if the new HC is an outside hire. I think Paulie is extremely overrated and before anyone throws me any stats remember he inherited this defense and didn’t build it. A good D won’t break down overnight due to a coordinator change if the core pieces remain

(10-28-2017, 01:21 AM)Shake n Blake Wrote: So you're basically saying it's all about the players and scheme doesn't matter? That's asinine.

Anyone who has been a fan for at least 10 years has seen the difference a coordinator makes. Multiple times.

(10-28-2017, 01:30 AM)TheLeonardLeap Wrote: While I agree with what you are saying and I think coordinators do make a huge difference... I will point out that it seems when the Bengals D is being good, it looks exactly like what Zimmer ran. When it looks like crap, it's because Guenther is doing his own "unique" things like dropping Dunlap into coverage, or playing man coverage with both safeties in the box, or having his CBs play 10 yards off and dropping into a enormously porous zone.

(10-27-2017, 02:58 PM)Sled21 Wrote: People complain about Lewis's coaching tree, but there sits Zimmer up in Minny with 5 wins using a 3rd string QB. I'd give Paulie a chance, and I'd give Simmons a chance. Lazor as well, though I admit I am not as familiar with him.....

(10-28-2017, 01:41 AM)Shake n Blake Wrote: Zimmer hasn't been in Cincy since 2013. This is PG's 4th year as DC and those guys switch things up and throw new wrinkles every year. While I'm sure there's *some* similarities to Zimmer's D, I think it's time to stop giving Zim credit for every bit of good while saying all bad is "the real PG".

That kinda reminds me of old Dalton arguments, where haters would credit any great performance to "weapons", while all bad was just "Andy being Andy". It's just having your cake and wanting to eat it too (which is saying I've never understood - who doesn't want to eat their cake).

(10-28-2017, 01:21 AM)Shake n Blake Wrote: So you're basically saying it's all about the players and scheme doesn't matter? That's asinine.

Anyone who has been a fan for at least 10 years has seen the difference a coordinator makes. Multiple times.

(10-28-2017, 11:18 AM)Devils Advocate Wrote: I didn’t really read much of the thread. However at this point, I think you’ve got to give Paulie G a shot as HC. he’s really done a great job when you get down to brass tacks. Considering we’ve allowed some pretty decent coaches to leave, perhaps even one or two (or more) that may go on to win a championship, I don’t see how you let Paulie go.

(10-28-2017, 10:18 PM)Deanlj69 Wrote: Shake I like you but you do speak down to people as if you are an authority. I never said anything in reference to how you responded. Tell me what significant changes Paulie has implemented? Don’t try and pretend he has overhauled a great D that was implemented by Zimmer. That would be asinine taking a perennial top 10 D and overhauling it completely. That didn’t happen. If you think Paulie has elevated the D then keep drinking that kool aid. He also had the luxury of getting a good D that still had players reaching their prime!  I didn’t say nor imply he did a bad job he has actually done well. I just don’t see him as head coach material. Damn dude don’t always overreact if you don’t like what you are hearing

(10-29-2017, 01:02 AM)phil413 Wrote: I don't agree with disqualifying Guenther because you feel we're due for an offensive mind.  Id rather have the better candidate. Paul shouldn't pay for Marvin''s sins and he's qualified to get a job so don't think he will stay as DC if they picked another guy.

(10-29-2017, 02:00 AM)Shake n Blake Wrote: I totally get and respect that take, but I think a lot of people just want as far from Marvin as we can get. That would mean an offensive mind from outside the organization. If we're just looking at the quality of the candidates, there are dozens of more qualified candidates with better resumes than Paul Guenther.

If Guenther gets upset and leaves (I don't think he would but it's possible), so what? We'd be losing him as DC if we hired him as HC anyway. I genuinely hope that this team goes outside if they do fire Marv. Unfortunately, I don't think they'll fire Marv and I do think Guenther is the guy they'll hire if it happens. I'm just tired of lazy internal hires. Like I said, there's so many better candidates out there.

(10-28-2017, 10:34 PM)Madieu Superstar Wrote: This is just insane.
Why would we want ANYONE associated with Marvin, outside of maybe Zimmer who has already proven to be a decent head coach?
Guenther took Zimmer's defense and has sorta maintained it. Having said that, since Zimmer left, Burfict and Pacman have gone back off the rails. Why should I think he'll be able to maintain control over a whole team. 

I would tell Marvin to take his son, and all of his assistant coaches for life, and get the heck out of town. It's long past due. 

(10-29-2017, 10:25 AM)Devils Advocate Wrote: Jay Gruden, Vance Joseph, Mike Zimmer & even Hugh are all associated with Marvin. Outside of Hugh, each of those coaches are potential championship winners.

Paul Gunther is running his own defense & he’s done a fantastic job really.