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RE: Net neutrality repealed! - SunsetBengal - 12-14-2017 (12-14-2017, 08:09 PM)Belsnickel Wrote: Make it a public good, set it up as a public utility. Done. Actually, I agree. In this day and age, how can communications not be considered essential to a successful general public? Go to a volume used system, like Electricity, Water, Gas, etc. But, everyone should get what they pay for, at full strength. RE: Net neutrality repealed! - Yojimbo - 12-14-2017 (12-14-2017, 07:03 PM)bfine32 Wrote: How many people here would like the federal government controlling their private business? Pretty sure federal, state and local governments already control every private business through regulations, permits, fee, etc. RE: Net neutrality repealed! - bfine32 - 12-14-2017 (12-14-2017, 07:12 PM)Millhouse Wrote: That argument can also be used in reference to chemical companies being regulated of dumping their wastes directly into rivers. So by that line of thought, all companies and corporations shouldnt have any regulations for how they conduct their business by the government.I agree if ISPs damage our environment they should be held accountable. Has nothing to do with what service(s) they should provide to their customers. Vas Deferens Wrote:No one. Quote:Would you like to go back to the days when you had 1 provider control the entire telephone industry? Would you like your private tax dollars go to subsidize a private companies infrastructure then maintain a stranglehold monopoly on how you use said infrastructure? I wouldn't like to go back to any of those things and as far as I know; net neutrality will have zero effect on how many ISPs there will be. Perhaps someone else's argument doesn't hold up in this instance . The government shouldn't be allowed to tell private businesses who to serve and how to serve them; as long as they do not discriminate or break the law. I consider that a Free Market argument and not a "GOP" one. Yojimbo Wrote:Pretty sure federal, state and local governments already control every private business through regulations, permits, fee, etc. Quite a bit different than the issue of Net Neutrality. Folks are reaching for reasons to OK the federal government regulating the product a private company provides to private citizens. Private citizens already pay more for additional bandwidth (hell I pay over $100/month for internet only, but I get 300 mpbs); why shouldn't companies that use it not be required to? RE: Net neutrality repealed! - bfine32 - 12-14-2017 (12-14-2017, 08:09 PM)Belsnickel Wrote: Make it a public good, set it up as a public utility. Done. Don't electric companies charge more depending on how much electricity you use? RE: Net neutrality repealed! - Nately120 - 12-14-2017 (12-14-2017, 07:03 PM)bfine32 Wrote: How many people here would like the federal government controlling their private business? I know my buddy who sells drugs and runs a whorehouse is pretty sick of it. RE: Net neutrality repealed! - bfine32 - 12-14-2017 (12-14-2017, 09:44 PM)Nately120 Wrote: I know my buddy who sells drugs and runs a whorehouse is pretty sick of it. Hell, I'm sick of it too. I wish both were legal. RE: Net neutrality repealed! - Nately120 - 12-14-2017 (12-14-2017, 09:47 PM)bfine32 Wrote: Hell, I'm sick of it too. I wish both were legal. You can thank the moral majority for making that stuff only legal if you are rich and connected. RE: Net neutrality repealed! - Dill - 12-14-2017 (12-14-2017, 09:38 PM)bfine32 Wrote: Don't electric companies charge more depending on how much electricity you use? when privatized, they tend to charge much more. "Burn baby burn!" You are old enough to remember rolling black outs, right? RE: Net neutrality repealed! - Dill - 12-14-2017 (12-14-2017, 07:03 PM)bfine32 Wrote: How many people here would like the federal government controlling their private business? I don't think the internet is a private business, or if it is it shouldn't be. It is frequently compared to a highway. Federal and state governments control our highways. Private businesses have the same access as everyone else. But they have to obey the laws like every one else. That is how I like the federal government controlling private business. I would not want private business controlling highways and finding ways to link access to private profit and monopoly. RE: Net neutrality repealed! - bfine32 - 12-14-2017 (12-14-2017, 10:10 PM)Dill Wrote: I don't think the internet is a private business, or if it is it shouldn't be. It is frequently compared to a highway. Using your analogy the Internet is the highway, but we are talking about private companies that provide service to that highway (ISPs). Should the government control services provided along the highway? I think folks are all spun up about Net Neutrality repeal because Trump passed it and they are told by the media (many who may now have to pay more) that it is bad for them. When in reality the measure will most likely have zero affect on the consumer despite the "ISPs can now control what you can access" mantra. In that last line did you really say you would not want private businesses controlling access to private profit? RE: Net neutrality repealed! - bfine32 - 12-14-2017 This is what our Nation has become: https://www.yahoo.com/news/twitter-users-tell-fcc-chair-205500591.html Quote:"Today Ajit Pai took away our freedom of speech. Our freedom of information. Please, somebody kill this man. Make it painful too," one user tweeted, while another wrote: "Sincerely, and I mean this with 100% seriousness and honesty. Kill Yourself." I wonder how genuinely clueless the guy that tweeted he has lost his freedom of speech is? RE: Net neutrality repealed! - hollodero - 12-14-2017 (12-14-2017, 10:28 PM)bfine32 Wrote: Using your analogy the Internet is the highway, but we are talking about private companies that provide service to that highway (ISPs). Should the government control services provided along the highway? I feel that's the wrong analogy. It's rather a private company in charge of deciding which destination you got access to, or in short where you can go on the highways. They could decide to let you go wherever you want like you're used to, or they could replace the highway to certain places with a graveled road - or they could start asking said places to pay a little so they don't get the graveled road. Or it's just the media. RE: Net neutrality repealed! - bfine32 - 12-15-2017 (12-14-2017, 11:48 PM)hollodero Wrote: I feel that's the wrong analogy. It's rather a private company in charge of deciding which destination you got access to, or in short where you can go on the highways. They could decide to let you go wherever you want like you're used to, or they could replace the highway to certain places with a graveled road - or they could start asking said places to pay a little so they don't get the graveled road. What do you know? You guys are still on Dial Up down under. Yeah, my analogy was more of a correction of Dills that seemed to confuse the Internet with the companies that provide access to it than it was an original thought on my part. Don't like the conditions of the road you're on, pay more to help get it fixed or take an alternate route (satellite)..... OK, enough with the analogies. Internet service is provided by Private Companies and today's move simply stated the Government cannot tell them how to provide their service. I guess I'm one of the few people that really didn't notice a difference in my internet on February 26, 2015 nd most likely will be one of the few that really won't notice a difference on my internet tomorrow. It's a free market, the government shouldn't be required to ensure everybody gets a juicebox. RE: Net neutrality repealed! - GMDino - 12-15-2017 Let's take a look back to the wild west days of the internet....2014 https://www.vox.com/2014/5/5/5683642/five-big-internet-providers-are-slowing-down-internet-access-until Quote:Five big US internet providers are slowing down Internet access until they get more cash So some steps were made to help the consumer. Then, in 2015... https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2015/jun/22/major-internet-providers-slowing-traffic-speeds Quote:Major internet providers slowing traffic speeds for thousands across US So I guess I can see there is very little chance the providers will do the same thing, again. Right? RE: Net neutrality repealed! - Bengalzona - 12-15-2017 I'm told there was a poll that said 83% favored net neutrality. Not sure if that is accurate or not. Anybody got figures? RE: Net neutrality repealed! - bfine32 - 12-15-2017 (12-15-2017, 12:54 AM)Bengalzona Wrote: I'm told there was a poll that said 83% favored net neutrality. Not sure if that is accurate or not. Anybody got figures?Hell, I'd like to help you with the research, but suddenly my internet speed has slowed to a crawl for some reason and I thought I saw a little piece of the sky fall today. RE: Net neutrality repealed! - hollodero - 12-15-2017 (12-15-2017, 12:27 AM)bfine32 Wrote: What do you know? You guys are still on Dial Up down under. That's right. We're down under, we need to dial up, while the US needs to dial down. Yeah, that probably sounds better in my head as in real life. Whatever. Also, your crocodiles ain't real and your president's a dumbass. (12-15-2017, 12:27 AM)bfine32 Wrote: OK, enough with the analogies. Ok. Too bad though, I had wonderful ones prepared, including 100.000 SUVs, a construction crane and a beautiful fairy. Ah well. (12-15-2017, 12:27 AM)bfine32 Wrote: Internet service is provided by Private Companies and today's move simply stated the Government cannot tell them how to provide their service. I guess I'm one of the few people that really didn't notice a difference in my internet on February 26, 2015 nd most likely will be one of the few that really won't notice a difference on my internet tomorrow. Sure, I get it, I just disagree. I think the government should absolutely ensure that. But that's probably because I am sceptical about the effects the free market arguments aim for. That this move will increase competition, potentially leading to cheaper internet access overall and all that. What I see is that net providers are given additional power while adding nothing benefitial in return, best case equals status quo, which to me is a bad deal for the public. They get a tool to gouge customers on both sides of the cable, so to speak. But sure, I'm used to a more socialistic government concept where some basic services are absolutely a government affair and the government actually ensures that everyone has equal access. No better water for richer folk, and in the same sense no faster net for richer content providers. - But, I get it still. Different stances, can't really prove mine is wiser. And these different stances probably just stay exactly that. I really just wanted to meddle in these analogies. RE: Net neutrality repealed! - treee - 12-15-2017 (12-14-2017, 09:28 PM)bfine32 Wrote: I agree if ISPs damage our environment they should be held accountable. Has nothing to do with what service(s) they should provide to their customers. A better analogy would be if the power company also made toasters and TVs and charged you more to use your electricity for appliances other than the one's they produce. RE: Net neutrality repealed! - Goalpost - 12-15-2017 (12-14-2017, 08:31 PM)SunsetBengal Wrote: Actually, I agree. In this day and age, how can communications not be considered essential to a successful general public? Go to a volume used system, like Electricity, Water, Gas, etc. But, everyone should get what they pay for, at full strength. It all sounds good. I just think it is counter to what tech companies are. They aren't utilities. Here they exist in a Capitalist society thru purpose of innovation and competition. I cant imagine what Microsoft or Apple would look like today if we classified them as utilities 20 years ago. Tech advances so rapidly without managing their boundaries. RE: Net neutrality repealed! - Belsnickel - 12-15-2017 (12-14-2017, 09:38 PM)bfine32 Wrote: Don't electric companies charge more depending on how much electricity you use? Yup, and I have no problem with that. To be quite honest, I don't know much about the idea of net neutrality. It's not a policy issue I've delved into much. My statement isn't so much about net neutrality as it is about any issue surrounding the internet. It is an essential part of our infrastructure at this point and we are already seeing market failures with regards to local/regional monopolies and lack of access in some areas. Making something a public good and providing it as a utility through either a public agency or a quango is one way to resolve market failures, and I am in favor of it. |