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RE: Iraq Veteran Fired Due To Skin Color - Belsnickel - 07-30-2019 (07-30-2019, 12:04 PM)Mike M (the other one) Wrote: https://www.politico.com/story/2019/07/29/top-dccc-staffer-out-amid-diversity-uproar-1439525 Soooo, where in there does it say there was a call for their firing? I must've missed that part in there. Also, a line in that article does seem to support one of my theories about the resignation of the original topic from the OP: Quote:Jaslow convened an emergency all-staff meeting Friday that was described as "very emotional" by a committee aide present. Jaslow cried as she took responsibility for not doing enough to diversify the upper ranks as some staffers complained that neither she or her deputies were people of color. So if she was fired, which there is not substantial evidence of at this time, it would be because of her actions (or lack thereof) rather than her skin color based on this. RE: Iraq Veteran Fired Due To Skin Color - bfine32 - 07-30-2019 Folks will use the term "forced" however it fits their agenda. Many folks around here tell me they are "forced" to stand for the Anthem; even though no one told them to. But stating these folks were forced to resign doesn't fit the bill in their opinion. RE: Iraq Veteran Fired Due To Skin Color - Dill - 07-30-2019 (07-30-2019, 10:50 AM)TheLeonardLeap Wrote: No such thing as reverse discrimination. Or reverse racism. Leonard, what is the purpose of the DCCC? What is its stated "mission"? Isn't that sort knowledge required to determine whether these "firings" were "just plain discrimination" or not? Or even "firings"? E.g., If a fundamental organizational goal of the DCCC is to itself reflect the diversity it requires of partners, seems like white people could be legitimately fired for "just being white," if someone had hired them heedless of stated diversity goals. RE: Iraq Veteran Fired Due To Skin Color - bfine32 - 07-30-2019 (07-30-2019, 12:04 PM)Mike M (the other one) Wrote: https://www.politico.com/story/2019/07/29/top-dccc-staffer-out-amid-diversity-uproar-1439525 Obviously resigned without issue because she was the Director of Diversity. RE: Iraq Veteran Fired Due To Skin Color - Mike M (the other one) - 07-30-2019 (07-30-2019, 12:20 PM)Belsnickel Wrote: Soooo, where in there does it say there was a call for their firing? I must've missed that part in there. I didn't make the claim that any of them were fired, only that they were pressured. But I guess when it suits you, you can play the literal game vs the figurative one. So I guess next time one of Trump's people resign, we should take it literally right? RE: Iraq Veteran Fired Due To Skin Color - GMDino - 07-30-2019 (07-30-2019, 01:08 PM)Mike M (the other one) Wrote: I didn't make the claim that any of them were fired, only that they were pressured. I'm thinking that Matt is still referring back to the thread title: Quote:Iraq Veteran Fired Due To Skin Color I linker two more article showing there was concern about diversity and the people in charge chose to step down. No one was fired or "forced" to resign. There is nothing in any of the articles that says that. RE: Iraq Veteran Fired Due To Skin Color - bfine32 - 07-30-2019 (07-30-2019, 12:50 PM)Dill Wrote: Leonard, what is the purpose of the DCCC? What is its stated "mission"? https://dccc.org/about/ Quote:D-Triple-CSo "just being white" is probably reason enough to introduce a hostile work environment. RE: Iraq Veteran Fired Due To Skin Color - Mike M (the other one) - 07-30-2019 (07-30-2019, 01:11 PM)GMDino Wrote: I'm thinking that Matt is still referring back to the thread title: Matt quoted me not the OP, so I figured he was commenting at me. Give it another couple days and there will be plenty of links. RE: Iraq Veteran Fired Due To Skin Color - Belsnickel - 07-30-2019 (07-30-2019, 01:08 PM)Mike M (the other one) Wrote: I didn't make the claim that any of them were fired, only that they were pressured. Well, actually, you said: (07-30-2019, 11:45 AM)Mike M (the other one) Wrote: Hahaha funny. and (07-30-2019, 12:04 PM)Mike M (the other one) Wrote: https://www.politico.com/story/2019/07/29/top-dccc-staffer-out-amid-diversity-uproar-1439525 The link you provided did not say anything about anyone calling for resignations or firings. I said there was nothing about a call for such action in the article. If someone asks for someone's resignation, that is the same as firing them in my book, I'm not arguing that semantic difference. I am saying there was no call for their firing or resignations, and there is no evidence their resignations were requested, based upon what I have read in this thread and through the sources provided. RE: Iraq Veteran Fired Due To Skin Color - bfine32 - 07-30-2019 (07-30-2019, 01:18 PM)Belsnickel Wrote: Well, actually, you said:Most likely just a coincidence. RE: Iraq Veteran Fired Due To Skin Color - Belsnickel - 07-30-2019 (07-30-2019, 01:22 PM)bfine32 Wrote: Most likely just a coincidence. Well, we know the veteran for whom this thread was made took responsibility for not doing enough about the diversity according to staffers in the meeting. It is very possible that she resigned on her own. I'm also not saying it definitely didn't happen, only that based upon the information we have provided to us that it is an assumption to make the claim that she, or any of the other staffers, we asked to resign or fired. If they were, there is evidence that it was because they held some responsibility in the hiring practices for the staff. Pardon me for not jumping to conclusions without supporting evidence, something some individuals seem more than happy to do even though they get pissy about the media doing it. RE: Iraq Veteran Fired Due To Skin Color - TheLeonardLeap - 07-30-2019 (07-30-2019, 11:06 AM)Belsnickel Wrote: I only see mention of one person in the article you posted resigning. Also, one of the most important principles in thinking critically about information is recognizing that correlation does not equal causation. There needs to be more information to create a causal link between two things. All you have is correlational evidence, or what is called circumstantial. (07-30-2019, 01:18 PM)Belsnickel Wrote: Well, actually, you said: So lets put it this way... Mitch McConnell looks at an organization that he contributes funds to, has power over, and also has power over other people who contribute funds/have power in the organization. He shouts out to all the press he can find that he wants more white people in charge of that organization and demands some action be taken. 6 black people in the top of the hierarchy of that organization promptly "resign" and a committee or board or whatever is made to hire 6 specifically white people to replace them. Would there still be 0 connection between McConnell's demand for more white people and the sudden and sweeping "resignations" of 6 black people for jobs you are now looking to hire white people for? Is it racist now? 1. Demands are made that there be more leadership diversity. 2. Immediately after a bunch of white people in leadership positions are "resigned". 3. They are now looking are filling those leadership jobs with specifically non-whites. You keep making a really weak argument that 1 plus 1 doesn't equal 2. "Not proof!" you say... in the words of Chad Johnson, I say "Child please." - - - - - - - - - - - - - - You say "they didn't specifically call out for resignations or firings" but if you have power and you demand that more of the leadership of the organization is immediately diverse, how exactly are you expecting those positions to be immediately open? If you demand for your school to have a black principal, and currently have a white principal, how do you think they are going to hire a black principal without the white one being fired or being told to resign? "I didn't steal their money officer, I just held my gun out and said I want some money now. It's not my fault some people took my gun and my open desire for money right now as a prompt for them to give me theirs." RE: Iraq Veteran Fired Due To Skin Color - Mike M (the other one) - 07-30-2019 (07-30-2019, 01:18 PM)Belsnickel Wrote: Well, actually, you said: Oh it was in the WAPO. I don't have a subscription, so I can't view it again for today/this week I think. If you google the line "In a statement Sunday that was first reported by Politico, Reps. Vicente Gonzalez and Filemon Velam, both of Texas, called for Jaslow’s firing and said the DCCC was “in complete chaos.” It will bring up the WAPO article. RE: Iraq Veteran Fired Due To Skin Color - Belsnickel - 07-30-2019 (07-30-2019, 01:41 PM)TheLeonardLeap Wrote: You keep making a really weak argument that 1 plus 1 doesn't equal 2. Look, I get that from your first response to me you have felt the need to insult me in some way, likely because I somehow struck a nerve, but this isn't the case at all. You had your mind made up that this was the case from the outset and nothing is going to change that, that's fine. All I'm saying is that you are jumping to the answer of 2 without knowing all of the variables. Feel free to justify it however you like. RE: Iraq Veteran Fired Due To Skin Color - GMDino - 07-30-2019 I'm just glad we can have a thread on racism against some whites for a change. We don't hear enough about that in this day and age. RE: Iraq Veteran Fired Due To Skin Color - Belsnickel - 07-30-2019 (07-30-2019, 01:46 PM)Mike M (the other one) Wrote: Oh it was in the WAPO. Ok, I found the WaPo article and then the Politico article it points to: https://www.politico.com/story/2019/07/29/cheri-bustos-democrats-diversity-1438867 It looks like the timeline of events was that Jaslow accepted blame for the lack of diversity in the DCCC on Friday, and then the two Representatives did indeed call for her to be fired on Sunday. So it is likely she was asked to resign (I don't know anything about the others), but it is because of her actions and not because of her skin color, as has been claimed by some. RE: Iraq Veteran Fired Due To Skin Color - GMDino - 07-30-2019 (07-30-2019, 01:46 PM)Mike M (the other one) Wrote: Oh it was in the WAPO. I shared that Politico story. The word "fire" "fired" "firing" does not appear in that story according to a quick search by me. The Sunday article makes no reference to any statement by Gonzalez or Velam either. Edit: I also cited the first story about this and there is this quote: Quote:CHC members were incensed in late June when The Washington Free Beacon published a story revealing that DCCC aide Tayhlor Coleman sent a series of derogatory tweets roughly a decade ago, including one that was portrayed as her being afraid of Mexicans. Coleman publicly apologized for the tweets late last month. RE: Iraq Veteran Fired Due To Skin Color - Belsnickel - 07-30-2019 (07-30-2019, 01:59 PM)GMDino Wrote: I shared that Politico story. They definitely called for Jaslow to be replaced, albeit after she had taken responsibility for the diversity issues in the staffing. RE: Iraq Veteran Fired Due To Skin Color - Dill - 07-30-2019 (07-30-2019, 01:17 PM)bfine32 Wrote: https://dccc.org/about/ LOL you have topped Len in the race to extend conclusions beyond what given facts/premises allow. This is maybe the page you were looking for, which requires that vendors affiliated with the DCCC demonstrate commitment to diversity. https://action.dccc.org/sign-up/political-vendors If everyone recently hired to the DCCC is "just being white," and the competent people not hired were just being black or hispanic, then yes, that could be cause for hostility. Do as we say but not as we do. RE: Iraq Veteran Fired Due To Skin Color - GMDino - 07-30-2019 (07-30-2019, 02:00 PM)Belsnickel Wrote: They definitely called for Jaslow to be replaced, albeit after she had taken responsibility for the diversity issues in the staffing. So they fired a white, female veteran due to racism? |