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RE: Newly released Nixon tape includes Nixon and Reagan using racist language - jj22 - 08-02-2019 Well I'll say it since no Republican will. People of African decent aren't monkeys. RE: Newly released Nixon tape includes Nixon and Reagan using racist language - Beaker - 08-02-2019 (08-02-2019, 11:31 AM)GMDino Wrote: Part of "today's issues" are people who are racist. (08-02-2019, 11:44 AM)jj22 Wrote: But this frame of mind isn't. And many people who were alive during this time aren't. I didnt say he was right for saying it, but I dont see the use in going back 50 years and finding a racist quote from a dead president. Im sure the farther back you go, the more frequent the racist quotes will become. Its no secret that racism was more prevalent the farther back you go. I just think we have enough on our plate today with racism. Its no secret that it exists, but in my opinion, the first step to overcoming it is to stop making everything about it. Call me a man, not a black man or a white man. If I disobey the cops and get beat, make it about my actions, not my skin color, etc. RE: Newly released Nixon tape includes Nixon and Reagan using racist language - Sociopathicsteelerfan - 08-02-2019 (08-02-2019, 11:58 AM)jj22 Wrote: Well I'll say it since no Republican will. I'm going to wish for you to grow six more arms, then maybe you can sufficiently pat yourself on the back. There's literally not one person on this board who condones such racism. RE: Newly released Nixon tape includes Nixon and Reagan using racist language - jj22 - 08-02-2019 (08-02-2019, 04:11 PM)Sociopathicsteelerfan Wrote: I'm going to wish for you to grow six more arms, then maybe you can sufficiently pat yourself on the back. There's literally not one person on this board who condones such racism. Still can't pull yourself to say it's wrong to call blacks monkeys huh. Anything to avoid condemning a racist statement. But yea, take shots at me for having the nerve to. RE: Newly released Nixon tape includes Nixon and Reagan using racist language - bfine32 - 08-02-2019 (08-02-2019, 09:28 AM)jj22 Wrote: So no, you won't say it was wrong of Reagan and calling people of African decent monkeys isn't right..... Of course calling African Americans monkeys is wrong and African Americans have been and continue to be victims of systemic racisim. I simply suggested why it wasn't such a hot news story. Hell I'm pretty sure Thomas Jefferson owned African American slaves. As to Ali, much like I hope for Reagan, I hope he learned from his ignorance as he matured. RE: Newly released Nixon tape includes Nixon and Reagan using racist language - Sociopathicsteelerfan - 08-02-2019 (08-02-2019, 04:33 PM)jj22 Wrote: Still can't pull yourself to say it's wrong to call blacks monkeys huh. You think posts like this will make anyone actually take you seriously? RE: Newly released Nixon tape includes Nixon and Reagan using racist language - jj22 - 08-02-2019 (08-02-2019, 05:17 PM)Sociopathicsteelerfan Wrote: You think posts like this will make anyone actually take you seriously? Just can't pull yourself to say it. How come it's so hard for you? RE: Newly released Nixon tape includes Nixon and Reagan using racist language - bfine32 - 08-02-2019 (08-02-2019, 05:35 PM)jj22 Wrote: Just can't pull yourself to say it. He most likely included himself when he said: There's literally not one person on this board who condones such racism. RE: Newly released Nixon tape includes Nixon and Reagan using racist language - Sociopathicsteelerfan - 08-02-2019 (08-02-2019, 05:35 PM)jj22 Wrote: Just can't pull yourself to say it. Would you like to know if I think the Holocaust was a bad thing too? (08-02-2019, 05:53 PM)bfine32 Wrote: He most likely included himself when he said: You'd think so. Maybe I was too subtle? RE: Newly released Nixon tape includes Nixon and Reagan using racist language - jj22 - 08-02-2019 (08-02-2019, 05:00 PM)bfine32 Wrote: Of course calling African Americans monkeys is wrong and African Americans have been and continue to be victims of systemic racisim. I simply suggested why it wasn't such a hot news story. Hell I'm pretty sure Thomas Jefferson owned African American slaves. As to Ali, much like I hope for Reagan, I hope he learned from his ignorance as he matured. Well Reagan was in his late 70's when he said this. But thank you. Sorry for my approach (although you should be used to it by now). RE: Newly released Nixon tape includes Nixon and Reagan using racist language - Sociopathicsteelerfan - 08-02-2019 (08-02-2019, 06:34 PM)jj22 Wrote: Well Reagan was in his late 70's when he said this. But thank you. Sorry for my approach (although you should be used to it by now). The comments were made during Nixon's presidency, which was from 1969-74. Reagan was born in in 1911. Reagan was 58 to 63 when the remarks were made. This doesn't excuse what was said, just correcting a severe math error on your part. RE: Newly released Nixon tape includes Nixon and Reagan using racist language - michaelsean - 08-05-2019 (08-02-2019, 11:13 AM)Sociopathicsteelerfan Wrote: "Morays", LoL. When you try to come across just that little bit smarter than you really are. RE: Newly released Nixon tape includes Nixon and Reagan using racist language - Dill - 08-05-2019 (08-02-2019, 03:21 PM)Beaker Wrote: I didnt say he was right for saying it, but I dont see the use in going back 50 years and finding a racist quote from a dead president. Im sure the farther back you go, the more frequent the racist quotes will become. Its no secret that racism was more prevalent the farther back you go. I just think we have enough on our plate today with racism. Its no secret that it exists, but in my opinion, the first step to overcoming it is to stop making everything about it. Call me a man, not a black man or a white man. If I disobey the cops and get beat, make it about my actions, not my skin color, etc. You are correct that the further back we go, the more likely we are to hear racist statements from presidents. Woodrow Wilson was an outright White Nationalist. And we don't need to "overhear" private conversations to determine that. One possible point for making public the Reagan/Nixon discussion, however, is that those two are not so ancient history. In public they comported themselves, post Civil Rights Act, as opponents of racism. Unlike Wilson, Reagan would have agreed with your point: "Call me a man, not black man or a white man" etc. Perhaps he genuinely believed law should work like that, while privately thinking that Africans were nevertheless inferior to whites. Perhaps this assumption was expressed in policy as well, as in his notorious veto of the Anti-Apartheid Act in 1985. Legitimate to wonder about that. We still have a racist problem on our plate today because of past investments in it. Feelings and beliefs didn't change immediately because laws do, though laws may make them more difficult to put into policy. So it behooves us to understand whether, why and/or how racism continues, as population trends move more people to identify as white and fret over imminent loss of majority status. Very hard to answer those questions without knowing where racism came from, why it takes hold, and the various forms it has taken. Such inquiry is not just "looking for racist satements" though. Now there is disagreement about causes and effects. Some think think that racism is largely gone, and talking about it stirs up no longer valid grievances. Others think it continues in implicit rather than explicit forms, and to deny recognizing this perpetuates it. Trump seems to bring this conflict to a head. Given what he says publicly, one suspects that in private one might hear things that would shock Reagan and Nixon. And one wonders whether, or more likely how, his beliefs affect policy. RE: Newly released Nixon tape includes Nixon and Reagan using racist language - jj22 - 08-06-2019 (08-02-2019, 05:56 PM)Sociopathicsteelerfan Wrote: Would you like to know if I think the Holocaust was a bad thing too? No, Trump supporters have made it clear what they feel about the Holocaust, and personally I think it's a disgrace. Hopefully you feel different, but I rather not chance it by asking. RE: Newly released Nixon tape includes Nixon and Reagan using racist language - Sociopathicsteelerfan - 08-06-2019 (08-06-2019, 09:28 AM)jj22 Wrote: No, Trump supporters have made it clear what they feel about the Holocaust, and personally I think it's a disgrace. The fact that this statement is an insanely broad generalization, and also not based on any sort of facts, what does this have to do with me? RE: Newly released Nixon tape includes Nixon and Reagan using racist language - jj22 - 08-06-2019 Plenty of facts just look at Trumps anti-Semitic tweets and retweets. Look at the Nazi sympathizers who make up a significant chunk of his supporters. He shares the Nazi one race doctrine with them or at the very least closely resembles it with his push to take America back to the days of one dominant and all powerful race (look at the Republican convention pics if you want to see their vision of America). And well we all know how he feels about those good Nazi's here in America, and those who dare protest and get killed by them. What does that have to do with you? You bring up the holocaust out of nowhere, and I'd just rather not hear Trump supporters twisted opinion on it. Because it's very insulting to Jewish Americans. RE: Newly released Nixon tape includes Nixon and Reagan using racist language - Belsnickel - 08-06-2019 (08-06-2019, 11:12 AM)michaelsean Wrote: A significant chunk? How many Nazis do you think there are in the country? 62,980,160. In case it needs to be said: this is a joke. RE: Newly released Nixon tape includes Nixon and Reagan using racist language - jj22 - 08-06-2019 I would say about 35-40million (you have to add White supremacist to that group as they agree with the Nazi one supreeme race doctorine, even if they don't consider themselves Nazi's.). Out of 350+m Americans, it's a dieing breed, and falling as time moves on. Out of 50-63 million Trump voters. That's a signficant chunk. RE: Newly released Nixon tape includes Nixon and Reagan using racist language - michaelsean - 08-06-2019 (08-06-2019, 11:15 AM)Belsnickel Wrote: 62,980,160. LOL. Sorry I actually deleted my post because I had no idea how many there were and figured I should try to find that out first. RE: Newly released Nixon tape includes Nixon and Reagan using racist language - GMDino - 08-06-2019 Back to Reagan (finally) being exposed as a racist: It is kind of important from a historical perspective when we look back and him pushing the welfare queen myth and how his racism would affect his policies and who was really "fighting for" when he wanted to make america that shining city on a hill. It was white people. |