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RE: Ohio Weed Vote - Benton - 10-28-2015
(10-28-2015, 12:00 PM)WhoDeyWho Wrote: That looks about right. I recall visiting Humboldt County, CA in the late 90s and it was relatively cheap there due to the large supply of high quality bud. Want to make it dirt cheap stop making it a crime to possess or cultivate it.
For me, a big issue with it is the taxes. People who are going to buy it are going to buy it regardless if it's legal or not. Like cigarettes or alcohol. And with most states having reduced possession punishments, more people are going to buy it illegally because they know there's no jail time, it'lll just be a fine.
So if people are going to do it, legalize it and tax it like every other product. I'd prefer the tax go just to fund substance abuse centers for real drug users, but just like most states legalizing lotteries to fund education, I doubt that would happen.
RE: Ohio Weed Vote - XenoMorph - 10-28-2015
(10-28-2015, 11:30 AM)Bengalholic Wrote: Issue 2 is basically an attempt to make sure Issue 3 never sees the light of day, even if passed. If Issue 2 and 3 both pass, Issue 2 takes effect immediately (according to those who crafted it, which asserts that Issue 2 was written to prevail over Issue 3) which automatically makes Issue 3 unlawful. But, even that has been a big topic of debate.
ResponsibleOhio has already said they would take that to court and challenge it if that does happen.
On a side note, Frostee Rucker is an investor in one of the proposed facilities.
thats kinda how i understand it... Issue 3 which is the weed vote the way its worded only a certain group will have rights to own to farms etc where the majority of the product would be grown (3 counties in SW ohio are part of that) and where the farms can be i think they have 10 counties selected. Which would kinda create a monoply of sorts. but the normal person could still grow their own etc. legaly... It would be legal to buy
Might have to take that chance or it might be a long time before it hits a ballet again.
then issue two is something along the lines of not allowing a monoply be written into the ohio consitution. which and what im not sure on.. Would either just kill that language in issue 3 as far as the monoply is concerned but not the legalization of the product... I dont think it kills issue 3 outright...
i know they were ordered to rewrite issue 3 with clearer language.
If it passes it might be time to invest in a pizza franchise lol
RE: Ohio Weed Vote - Benton - 10-28-2015
(10-28-2015, 12:15 PM)XenoMorph Wrote: thats kinda how i understand it... Issue 3 which is the weed vote the way its worded only a certain group will have rights to own to farms etc where the majority of the product would be grown (3 counties in SW ohio are part of that) and where the farms can be i think they have 10 counties selected. Which would kinda create a monoply of sorts. but the normal person could still grow their own etc. legaly... It would be legal to buy
Might have to take that chance or it might be a long time before it hits a ballet again.
then issue two is something along the lines of not allowing a monoply be written into the ohio consitution. which and what im not sure on.. Would either just kill that language in issue 3 as far as the monoply is concerned but not the legalization of the product... I dont think it kills issue 3 outright...
i know they were ordered to rewrite issue 3 with clearer language.
If it passes it might be time to invest in a pizza franchise lol
If both pass, I would imagine those behind three would just take it to court or have it amended to take out the word "monopoly." I've heard of groups suing to get legislation they pushed for changed because of things like this Issue Two.
RE: Ohio Weed Vote - XenoMorph - 10-28-2015
(10-28-2015, 12:19 PM)Benton Wrote: If both pass, I would imagine those behind three would just take it to court or have it amended to take out the word "monopoly." I've heard of groups suing to get legislation they pushed for changed because of things like this Issue Two.
So is both passing the best case scenario?
RE: Ohio Weed Vote - wildcats forever - 10-28-2015
(10-28-2015, 12:19 PM)Benton Wrote: If both pass, I would imagine those behind three would just take it to court or have it amended to take out the word "monopoly." I've heard of groups suing to get legislation they pushed for changed because of things like this Issue Two.
Legal mumbo jumbo at best. Since it has been way too long to get anything to vote on, waiting for something better may never come. The monopoly issue aside, it would allow for growing your own, plus possession legally. Except for the truly lazy, what more could you want? (beside free pot for all).
RE: Ohio Weed Vote - WhoDeyWho - 10-28-2015
(10-28-2015, 12:11 PM)Benton Wrote: For me, a big issue with it is the taxes. People who are going to buy it are going to buy it regardless if it's legal or not. Like cigarettes or alcohol. And with most states having reduced possession punishments, more people are going to buy it illegally because they know there's no jail time, it'lll just be a fine.
So if people are going to do it, legalize it and tax it like every other product. I'd prefer the tax go just to fund substance abuse centers for real drug users, but just like most states legalizing lotteries to fund education, I doubt that would happen.
I don't know. I visited some dispensaries on vacation in Seattle, and what immediately stood out was the wide selection of various strains. Everything was clearly labeled and you knew exactly what you were getting. On the black market, you don't have that choice (beggars can't be choosers). At those prices, I would have absolutely no problem going to the weed store, just like I go to the liquor store to buy good booze.
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RE: Ohio Weed Vote - Benton - 10-28-2015
(10-28-2015, 12:21 PM)XenoMorph Wrote: So is both passing the best case scenario?
Depends. It could go to court, get worked out and you get commercial and private growing. Or it could go to court, get tossed out and the whole process start over.
RE: Ohio Weed Vote - Vas Deferens - 10-28-2015
(10-28-2015, 11:31 AM)michaelsean Wrote: It's pretty near a monopoly. I think they've already announced $280 oz. Illegal drug dealers will just drop their price below that, and still make a lot of money. I don't get $280 an oz. Why not $50 an oz. Still the most expensive plant on the planet.
Even if you factor out equipment & labor expenses, the cost of the electricity and water alone put $50 oz out of the question in today's market. It is not uncommon for grow houses out here to have $5k + electricity bills.
These guys are still making bank like no other though. If this passes, tell your 18 year old kids to become an electrician or HVAC specialist for a few years, demand will be out of control.
RE: Ohio Weed Vote - Bengalholic - 10-28-2015
(10-28-2015, 12:15 PM)XenoMorph Wrote: thats kinda how i understand it... Issue 3 which is the weed vote the way its worded only a certain group will have rights to own to farms etc where the majority of the product would be grown (3 counties in SW ohio are part of that) and where the farms can be i think they have 10 counties selected. Which would kinda create a monoply of sorts. but the normal person could still grow their own etc. legaly... It would be legal to buy
Might have to take that chance or it might be a long time before it hits a ballet again.
then issue two is something along the lines of not allowing a monoply be written into the ohio consitution. which and what im not sure on.. Would either just kill that language in issue 3 as far as the monoply is concerned but not the legalization of the product... I dont think it kills issue 3 outright...
i know they were ordered to rewrite issue 3 with clearer language.
If it passes it might be time to invest in a pizza franchise lol
By including Issue 2 on the ballot, they can now entirely reject any citizen-proposed amendment, Issue 3 in this case, that contains anything they see as falling under 'monopoly/oligopoly' label...which they've already predetermined it does. So, even with the revision in language and changes to the RO amendment, there's still the issue of classification that the legislature is still holding to, and which will be a major roadblock for Issue 3 if both pass.
As Cleveland.com pointed out, Issue 2 "Specifically bars any such issues that will appear on the Nov. 3 general election ballot for controlled substances (Issue 3) from taking effect."
If both issues do pass, I think it'll end up in the court battle. Oltman has already promised as much. I think RO made mistakes throughout this process, and it was never the best crafted amendment to begin with. However, I still hold out hope that is does pass, and is ultimately upheld. While this amendment may not be the best we can do, it's certainly makes a whole lot more sense than weed remaining illegal.
RE: Ohio Weed Vote - bfine32 - 10-28-2015
(10-28-2015, 11:30 AM)Bengalholic Wrote: Issue 2 is basically an attempt to make sure Issue 3 never sees the light of day, even if passed. If Issue 2 and 3 both pass, Issue 2 takes effect immediately (according to those who crafted it, which asserts that Issue 2 was written to prevail over Issue 3) which automatically makes Issue 3 unlawful. But, even that has been a big topic of debate.
ResponsibleOhio has already said they would take that to court and challenge it if that does happen.
On a side note, Frostee Rucker is an investor in one of the proposed facilities.
I do not see an end to the litagation. It's not like they can kick it up to the Federal Courts for a ruling.
From what I understand, just because these states vote on these "legalization" issues doesn't really make them "legal"; they just state we are going to ignore the Federal Law that states it is illegal.
Of course I could be off-base on this; however, this is something we discussed a few months back in a Business Law class.
RE: Ohio Weed Vote - Belsnickel - 10-28-2015
(10-28-2015, 01:18 PM)bfine32 Wrote: I do not see an end to the litagation. It's not like they can kick it up to the Federal Courts for a ruling.
From what I understand, just because these states vote on these "legalization" issues doesn't really make them "legal"; they just state we are going to ignore the Federal Law that states it is illegal.
Of course I could be off-base on this; however, this is something we discussed a few months back in a Business Law class.
This is accurate. While the feds have passed legislation giving medical marijuana the pass, recreational marijuana is still illegal as it is a controlled substance on the federal level.
RE: Ohio Weed Vote - XenoMorph - 10-28-2015
(10-28-2015, 11:31 AM)michaelsean Wrote: It's pretty near a monopoly. I think they've already announced $280 oz. Illegal drug dealers will just drop their price below that, and still make a lot of money. I don't get $280 an oz. Why not $50 an oz. Still the most expensive plant on the planet.
well i think normal prices for bad quality is something like 25 for an eight of an oz. or about 200 an oz... and thats if you actually get what you pay for so higher quality at that price would be a good deal. Really if its the higher quality stuff that is i think normally 50 to 60 for an eight of an oz. now.
Having it regulated so you get what you pay for everytime... Priceless.
RE: Ohio Weed Vote - Belsnickel - 10-28-2015
(10-28-2015, 02:16 PM)XenoMorph Wrote: well i think normal prices for bad quality is something like 25 for an eight of an oz. or about 200 an oz... and thats if you actually get what you pay for so higher quality at that price would be a good deal. Really if its the higher quality stuff that is i think normally 50 to 60 for an eight of an oz. now.
Having it regulated so you get what you pay for everytime... Priceless.
I'm glad I don't smoke anymore. Shit's gotten expensive.
RE: Ohio Weed Vote - RICHMONDBENGAL_07 - 10-28-2015
(10-28-2015, 12:25 PM)wildcats forever Wrote: Legal mumbo jumbo at best. Since it has been way too long to get anything to vote on, waiting for something better may never come. The monopoly issue aside, it would allow for growing your own, plus possession legally. Except for the truly lazy, what more could you want? (beside free pot for all).
Kinda how I feel about it. It's way past time to get this legalized. I've partook in the past and would prefer it over booze. The bill may not be perfect, but it's a good first step.
RE: Ohio Weed Vote - WhoDeyWho - 10-28-2015
(10-28-2015, 02:26 PM)Belsnickel Wrote: I'm glad I don't smoke anymore. Shit's gotten expensive.
I use a vaporizer. So efficient an 8th lasts for months.
RE: Ohio Weed Vote - michaelsean - 10-28-2015
(10-28-2015, 02:49 PM)RICHMONDBENGAL_07 Wrote: Kinda how I feel about it. It's way past time to get this legalized. I've partook in the past and would prefer it over booze. The bill may not be perfect, but it's a good first step.
First step? It will be in the Constitution. It's a last step unless the constitution is amended. I'm still up in the air on how I will vote, but I really don't like it.
RE: Ohio Weed Vote - RICHMONDBENGAL_07 - 10-28-2015
(10-28-2015, 02:52 PM)michaelsean Wrote: First step? It will be in the Constitution. It's a last step unless the constitution is amended. I'm still up in the air on how I will vote, but I really don't like it.
What will be in the constitution?
RE: Ohio Weed Vote - RICHMONDBENGAL_07 - 10-28-2015
(10-28-2015, 02:51 PM)WhoDeyWho Wrote: I use a vaporizer. So efficient an 8th lasts for months.
I used to smoke a lot back in the day. But only a few times in the last 15yrs, but I've got friends that have mentioned vaping with it. I guess it cuts back on the smell, and carcinogens? I'd be curious where to find something like this?
RE: Ohio Weed Vote - WhoDeyWho - 10-28-2015
(10-28-2015, 02:52 PM)michaelsean Wrote: First step? It will be in the Constitution. It's a last step unless the constitution is amended. I'm still up in the air on how I will vote, but I really don't like it.
If a referendum is all it takes to change the Ohio constitution couldn't it be amended the exact same way?
RE: Ohio Weed Vote - WhoDeyWho - 10-28-2015
(10-28-2015, 03:12 PM)RICHMONDBENGAL_07 Wrote: I used to smoke a lot back in the day. But only a few times in the last 15yrs, but I've got friends that have mentioned vaping with it. I guess it cuts back on the smell, and carcinogens? I'd be curious where to find something like this?
When you vaporize it, you aren't burning it, which destroys the plant matter. Consequently you aren't inhaling smoke and whatever pollutants that would be in it.
Vaporizing heats the pot to a lower level in which the THC is vaporized while leaving the plant intact. You can even take the spent pot and use it in baked good recipes (there are still probably traces of THC left in it). Since you aren't destroying it, you can extract more of the active ingredient from a much smaller amount of it.
As far as the smell, I would say it smells similar to slightly burnt popcorn.
Vaporizers come in all shapes and sizes and price levels. Any head shop will probably have them. I recently bought "The Crafty" unit from Storz and Bickel. They are like the BMW of vaporizer manufacturers. I love it.