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RE: Why would anyone would stand up? - BmorePat87 - 02-15-2016 (02-15-2016, 04:11 PM)bfine32 Wrote: If they said the best way to end the violence toward children would be to kill all adults, then yes. According to my post, all they did was speak out against violence towards children. RE: Why would anyone would stand up? - bfine32 - 02-15-2016 (02-15-2016, 04:19 PM)BmorePat87 Wrote: According to my post, all they did was speak out against violence towards children. Then no. Do you expect someone to say yes? As to my answer of your question it seemed in keeping with the link given in the OP and the topic at hand. RE: Why would anyone would stand up? - BmorePat87 - 02-15-2016 (02-15-2016, 04:28 PM)bfine32 Wrote: Then no. Do you expect someone to say yes? I wouldn't expect anyone rational to say yes. The same if I asked "if someone speaks out against violence towards children, are they uncaring of violence towards adults?". Quote:As to my answer of your question it seemed in keeping with the link given in the OP and the topic at hand. Agreed. It was some of the branched out conversations that made want to ask the question. RE: Why would anyone would stand up? - fredtoast - 02-15-2016 (02-15-2016, 02:10 PM)Sovereign Nation Wrote: Again, Grundy still has her job, shouldn't that be enough to stand up and say something? Forget for a moment the idea that if a white male did what she did would be fired, and just focus on what she did, don't you think there should have been a protest at Boston College calling for her removal? A hunger strike? What if a white professor claimed that "white privilege" was just created to help black people because they are all scheming liars trying to get stuff they don't deserve by shaming white people Would you agree there should be a protest to get him fired? What if a professor claimed man has not contributed to global warming? Should he be fired? What about a professor who claimed that the Zionist running Israel are cause us a lot of problems in the middle east? Should he be fired? My question is this...Are you more concerned about Grundy not getting fired or the imaginary white man in your head who did the same thing getting fired? Are professors allowed to voice their opinions or not? RE: Why would anyone would stand up? - Nately120 - 02-15-2016 Can't we just let the free market sort this all out? RE: Why would anyone would stand up? - Sovereign Nation - 02-16-2016 (02-15-2016, 05:45 PM)fredtoast Wrote: What if a white professor claimed that "white privilege" was just created to help black people because they are all scheming liars trying to get stuff they don't deserve by shaming white people Well, then you have no problem providing all these white male or female professors that are calling for the extinction of black people. I'll wait. The answer to the question you have is- Grundy should be fire JUST LIKE the imaginary white man in my head. Hey Fred if you don't think you will be fired for doing the same thing, then please by all means, create a twitter and voice your opinions. Now as an experiment, I would like you to post the tweets that Grundy posted but switch "white men" to "black women". Go ahead, don't be afraid, after all "Aren't you allowed to voice our opinions or not?" RE: Why would anyone would stand up? - bfine32 - 02-16-2016 (02-16-2016, 01:44 AM)Sovereign Nation Wrote: Well, then you have no problem providing all these white male or female professors that are calling for the extinction of black people. Here's a few for him to amend: http://socawlege.com/boston-university-assistant-professor-saida-grundy-attacks-whites-makes-false-statements-on-twitter/ I'll wait while he does. RE: Why would anyone would stand up? - Sovereign Nation - 02-16-2016 (02-15-2016, 03:01 PM)Benton Wrote: Those mentioned see a perceived slight. Or worse. If you don't, don't support it. This is why I say brainwashing. I am not saying you are... just that anyone that doesn't see the attacks on white culture and white people in are not doing so because of the way they were taught to perceive the world. If the teachers in school are constantly telling white men that they are evil, racist, that are responsible for all of the world's issues and that any attack directed toward them from one of the slighted groups is justified because of white men's actions, then that is how you and most other whites will perceive things. Those same teachers are telling the slighted groups - that they are justified in any action toward white men and they are also telling them that white men are evil. That is why I say don't listen to the SPLC - if a group is telling you that white people are under attack - listen to them. The SPLC doesn't list BLM as a hate group - however they do list Renegade Broadcasting. As the video states - any group that does come out is immediately mocked and attacked for being a white supremacist and racist. What that does is make people like you disregard the message. Even if the message is truthful. RE: Why would anyone would stand up? - Sovereign Nation - 02-16-2016 (02-15-2016, 03:58 PM)fredtoast Wrote: So if a group started talking just about violence against white people would you critcize them the way you do the ones who just complain about violence against blacks. if someone started a "White Lives Matter" movement would you start squealing at them that "ALL lives matter"? I wouldn't have to squeal anything - you would be very quick to denounce the group and say that "all lives matter", it would be labeled a hate group. Do you think that Black lives matter should be disbanded then? Since all lives matter, you should be against them... are you? Ok- I will explain - it isn't a bad thing for blacks to have advocacy groups - show me where I said it was bad. However if blacks are allowed to have advocacy groups then whites should also have advocacy groups. I think the mistake you are making is that you are under a false assumption that I hate other races and that I think whites are superior. No matter how many times I have stated how this wrong, it still seems to be the perception that you have. As I have told you - I have been to Uganda - the people there are fascinating and great, they are wonderful. I have been to S. Korea, and the S. Koreans are also a great and wonderful people. So I support the advancement of other races, even in our own country. However, I also think we should do more to advance white people in our country. There are a lot of poor disadvantage white kids in this country, those kids don't have advocacy groups to give them a leg up. If the NAACP is already advocating for the advancement of colored people, then why should I need to advocate for colored people? Where are the groups advocating for the advancement of white people? There aren't any pro white groups that don't automatically get labeled as hate groups. RE: Why would anyone would stand up? - Sovereign Nation - 02-16-2016 (02-15-2016, 01:55 PM)BmorePat87 Wrote: Every group of people has a radical minority like this. Fortunately, it seems like there was immediate backlash against the "exterminate white people" person by the organizer of the event. He even compared the man to "Hitler". (02-15-2016, 04:01 PM)BmorePat87 Wrote: It? You quoted a lot there. Do I think the response to this man gets the same attention? If it doesn't then it's the media's fault for being one sided and only showing black people who speak out against white people. I think this sums everything up. If the message isn't for you, then it isn't for you. RE: Why would anyone would stand up? - Sovereign Nation - 02-16-2016 (02-15-2016, 04:07 PM)CKwi88 Wrote: Sooooo the real question is: We will see. I would hate for it to be locked. I will try to do a better job myself, but I have no control over others. RE: Why would anyone would stand up? - Sovereign Nation - 02-16-2016 (02-15-2016, 04:11 PM)bfine32 Wrote: If they said the best way to end the violence toward children would be to kill all adults, then yes. This is the point. It is one thing to say, "Hey I am against violence toward black people." However to say "that in order to prevent violence toward black people we need to kill all white people" If these people were the Black Panther Party then you could just brush it off, since KKK does the same thing. However a college professor is quite another story. RE: Why would anyone would stand up? - Sovereign Nation - 02-16-2016 (02-16-2016, 01:54 AM)bfine32 Wrote: Here's a few for him to amend: I would love for him to take me up on the challenge. I know he won't. It will be funny hearing his reasoning on why he won't. I am sure it will be "Why would I do that?" RE: Why would anyone would stand up? - Vlad - 02-16-2016 (02-15-2016, 05:45 PM)fredtoast Wrote: What if a white professor claimed that "white privilege" was just created to help black people because they are all scheming liars trying to get stuff they don't deserve by shaming white people. RE: Why would anyone would stand up? - BmorePat87 - 02-16-2016 (02-16-2016, 03:11 AM)Sovereign Nation Wrote: Again - this is marginalizing the threats just because of the color of the person's skin. You have been conditioned to believe this so therefore you think advocacy groups for blacks are OK while whites don't need them. That line of thought is dangerous. You should be advocating for yourself. What institutionalized threats exist for white people in the justice system? Quote:Black lives ALREADY mattered. They have not been ignored. See, you rationalize BLM. That is why ALL LIVES MATTER was started - to tell black people, that BLM is unnecessary. White people already know and they knew that black lives are important. There was NO need to create this organization. The data respectfully disagrees with you on this. This is like saying there is no need for groups that advocate for battered women because there are some laws and shelters. Quote:Look at the bold in your previous comment - you say extremist on both sides - the KKK are the extremist on the white side. No one takes them seriously. On the other side are people of repute. They are college professors. You can counter that the KKK are just poor people, maybe not poor- but they are not in position like college professors. If you know one that is currently a college professor and they are freely expressing their views then I would like to see the link. So it isn't strawmanning - you actually said what you said, and I was explaining that what you are trying to marginalize as "both sides having extremist" as if to suggest that since both sides have them it isn't a big deal. I contend that it isn't the same because the influence that a college professor has is not the same as the influence that mechanic has. Again, when was I arguing against you on this? You're so eager to have something to disagree with that you rush to put arguments in people's mouths. I'll play along right now if you want me to. I am correct in what I said. These people represent a minority and the majority does not agree with them. Does a random visiting professor who was immediately compared to Hitler by the black man who ran the event wield some bit of influence? Sure, so obviously that makes him a little more dangerous than Cletus the slack jawed yokel who talks big at the redneck bar every night. Still, it's dishonest to suggest that anyone who is a part of a white supremacist group doesn't have influence. David Duke would take offense. Quote:Didn't you just say that Renegade Broadcasting is a hate group? You made sure that everyone knew that they stood against Jews and supported Hitler. That in itself is calling them white supremacist. Look at what I have been called, just for being pro-white. No, that was based off their other shared videos that attacked Jews, Israel, and supported Nazism. It had nothing to do with that particular video. Quote:The point was this comment was not needed. It has no bearing on the video or the point of the thread. Who cares if RB supports Hitler and is against Jews? Just so you know if you question the validity of the claims made about the Holocaust you are automatically labeled an Antisemite? Basically if you say that Auschwitz wasn't a death camp (not that there were no death camps, just that Auschwitz wasn't one of them) then you are against Jews? There is a Jewish man that has been ostracized for questioning and he did a very convincing report on it. I felt like it was. If you want people to stop accusing you of being racist and accept that "pro-white" isn't racist, don't use sources from pro Nazi groups. Trying to help you out. Also, let's not turn this isn't a holocaust denial thread. I do appreciate the response. It was a civil exchange and I hope you saw that because someone accepts that there are issues regarding race, they don't believe in the tactics used by inexperienced social activists with ridiculous expectations. RE: Why would anyone would stand up? - Sovereign Nation - 02-16-2016 (02-16-2016, 11:49 AM)BmorePat87 Wrote: What institutionalized threats exist for white people in the justice system? Enjoy! ![]() RE: Why would anyone would stand up? - fredtoast - 02-16-2016 (02-16-2016, 01:44 AM)Sovereign Nation Wrote: Well, then you have no problem providing all these white male or female professors that are calling for the extinction of black people. (02-16-2016, 01:54 AM)bfine32 Wrote: Here's a few for him to amend: So when you guys make an argument based on an imaginary claim somehow I am the one who has to prove you wrong? You made the claim based on an imaginary claimso YOU do the work to prove it. I'll wait here while you do. RE: Why would anyone would stand up? - Sovereign Nation - 02-16-2016 (02-16-2016, 12:53 PM)fredtoast Wrote: Do when YOU make an argument based on an imaginary claim somehow I am the one who has to prove you wrong? LOL- you must be confused about what I am asking you to do. I say there are college professors that are very anti white. They are free to share their opinions with little to no backlash. Guys like you just call it free speech. So you asked: "What if a white professor claimed that "white privilege" was just created to help black people because they are all scheming liars trying to get stuff they don't deserve by shaming white people Would you agree there should be a protest to get him fired?" To answer that, I requested you to please post all of the links of white professors who are doing this. I know they don't exist because a white professor doing just this would be fired immediately. There would be huge backlash and guys like you would say that they do have free speech just not freedom from the consequences of spewing hate speech. So me agreeing with whether there should be a protest to get him fired would be unnecessary, since the action would be immediate. The point of my post was to illustrate how wrong your post is. If you can find a white college professor that is anti-black then please post the link. As I said, I will wait. RE: Why would anyone would stand up? - fredtoast - 02-16-2016 (02-16-2016, 01:07 PM)Sovereign Nation Wrote: LOL- you must be confused about what I am asking you to do. That is nmot what happened at all. You made your imaginary argument in the third post in this thread. (02-15-2016, 06:04 AM)Sovereign Nation Wrote: It isn't just that though. Saida Grundy is still employed, yet you know as well as I that if the races and genders were reversed she would be fired. You made the claim first. So it is your job to back it up, not mine. RE: Why would anyone would stand up? - Sovereign Nation - 02-16-2016 (02-16-2016, 01:18 PM)fredtoast Wrote: That is nmot what happened at all. You made your imaginary argument in the third post in this thread. You are losing it Fred... So you want me to prove that a white man would be fired if he said the things Grundy said? Is that what you want? ![]() You think a white man wouldn't be fired? Do you really think this? |