(07-16-2016, 02:29 PM)BFritz21 Wrote: Having the freedom to do it doesn't make it smart or right, especially if you're doing it just to do it, which is why I asked the questions.

(07-16-2016, 11:35 AM)Nately120 Wrote: Part of being American is the freedom to be as loud as you want without knowing what the hell you are talking about, or even caring IF you know.

(07-16-2016, 02:55 PM)fredtoast Wrote: You have zero proof that any of them are doing it "just to do it".

The fact that they do not want to cooperate with the oppositions propoganda program does not mean they are doing it "just to do it".

(07-16-2016, 02:55 PM)fredtoast Wrote: You have zero proof that any of them are doing it "just to do it".

The fact that they do not want to cooperate with the oppositions propoganda program does not mean they are doing it "just to do it".

(07-16-2016, 08:14 PM)BFritz21 Wrote: Who said the reporter was from the opposition?

Who said the news station was trying to make it a propaganda piece against BLM?

You have zero proof that they knew anything about what they were protesting for.  In fact, the opposite seems true.

Impossible to debate with you because you avoid addressing points and throw out your typical rhetoric.  

(07-16-2016, 09:03 PM)jason Wrote: A news reporter who doesn't do their due diligence to find a protester who can articulate what they are demonstrating for may as well be doing a propaganda piece against BLM. It's like how the national sports media portrayed us as all bottle throwing jackasses because some shitheads take a game too seriously.

If they are protesting a systematic disregard for black lives, then I don't think it's unreasonable to believe that the mainstream media is in opposition to their cause. They believe this has been going on for many years while the media has stayed quiet. Now that people are capturing footage on phones, it is being brought to the forefront... I think that's all fred is saying, but I can't speak for him.

(07-16-2016, 09:03 PM)jason Wrote: If they are protesting a systematic disregard for black lives, then I don't think it's unreasonable to believe that the mainstream media is in opposition to their cause. They believe this has been going on for many years while the media has stayed quiet. Now that people are capturing footage on phones, it is being brought to the forefront... I think that's all fred is saying, but I can't speak for him.

(07-16-2016, 09:56 AM)fredtoast Wrote: You are not stating the facts properly.

The study shows that per percentage of people stopped whites are more likely to get shot, but blacks are more likely to get stopped in the first place.

The same reports prove that police use more violence against blacks than whites.  Thanks for the link


Moreover, the results do not mean that the general public’s perception of racism in policing is misguided. 




Do you agree with these findings Brownshoe?

(07-17-2016, 12:01 AM)Brownshoe Wrote: I have no reason to think that the study is wrong. Why do you think blacks are more likely to be stopped in the first place? Could it possibly be that they commit more crime per capita?

(07-17-2016, 02:07 AM)Bmoreblitz Wrote: They don't per capita. They commit more violent crimes but not more crimes.
And even if they did the color of someone's skin shouldn't be a factor period.

(07-17-2016, 03:06 AM)Brownshoe Wrote: Just because they don't commit every type of crime disproportionately doesn't mean that they don't commit crime disproportionately.

(07-17-2016, 08:24 AM)Bmoreblitz Wrote: That doesn't even make sense. Crime is crime.

(07-17-2016, 08:56 AM)Brownshoe Wrote: You said that "They commit more violent crimes but not more crimes". The last time I seen a list for total crimes black people were 28% of all crime. So, they do commit more crimes per capita.

(07-17-2016, 09:22 AM)Belsnickel Wrote: Ah, the magic of biased "news reporting" where anyone with a microphone, a camera, and editing software can fool rubes into thinking their side has good ammunition.

I don't need to watch anything to know that what has occurred to create this question is using selective sampling and then editing to create the illusion of more than a slim minority of the group being dumb asses. It's a common tactic with these. We saw it with the TEA Party rallies where the media made the crowd look like dumb hicks.

Then, of course, you have the pundits that selectively sample videos from wherever they can and show snippets of them to do the exact same thing. Doubling down on the confirmation bias.

Any time you see something like this, any time at all, just take it with a salt cellar full of salt because it is likely to be intentionally biased. Especially from a media source that is known to have biases.

(07-17-2016, 09:27 AM)Bmoreblitz Wrote: Please cite where you "read".

Looks like the stats you keep trying to claim are "violent"crimes that most cites use as their stay. Yes blacks do commit more "violent" crimes.

FBI data shows whites are racking up more rapes, aggravated assaults, robberies, larceny, vandalism...  

(07-17-2016, 10:23 AM)Brownshoe Wrote: FBI data show that blacks commit more rapes, aggravated assaults, robberies, ect, ect per capita.

https://ucr.fbi.gov/crime-in-the-u.s/2014/crime-in-the-u.s.-2014/tables/table-43

Black population ~16%

Total crime committed by the black population 28%. The only thing on that list that's not disproportionat to their population is DUIs.

(07-17-2016, 10:23 AM)Brownshoe Wrote: FBI data show that blacks commit more rapes, aggravated assaults, robberies, ect, ect per capita.

https://ucr.fbi.gov/crime-in-the-u.s/2014/crime-in-the-u.s.-2014/tables/table-43

Black population ~16%

Total crime committed by the black population 28%. The only thing on that list that's not disproportionat to their population is DUIs.

(07-17-2016, 10:39 AM)bfine32 Wrote: ...and compare that to the demographic that kills LEOs:

https://ucr.fbi.gov/leoka/2014/tables/table_47_leos_fk_race_and_sex_of_known_offender_2005-2014.xls

From 2005-2014 563 were identified as killing LEOs.  40% of those identified were black.

Given this and other data provided; it is obvious that the problem lies with the LEOs. When folks are brave enough to talk about what could very well be the real problem, then we can work toward a solution. Outside of that we will just enable folks in there quest to be considered the victim.