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RE: Debate opinions? - GMDino - 10-10-2016 Since someone brought up Lincoln: http://time.com/4524426/second-presidential-debate-hillary-clinton-abraham-lincoln/ Quote:Hillary Clinton turned to Abraham Lincoln for her defense when asked about a damaging line from a speech she gave on Wall Street revealed by Wikileaks on Friday. And not just any Lincoln, but Steven Spielberg’s version. RE: Debate opinions? - GMDino - 10-10-2016 http://qz.com/805005/the-leaked-email-behind-hillary-clintons-mid-debate-reference-to-steven-spielbergs-abraham-lincoln-biopic/ Quote:In her speech to the nonprofit, she argued that politicians “need both a public and a private position” in order to accomplish anything. The debate moderators asked Clinton on behalf of a voter, “Is it ok for politicians to be two-faced?” RE: Debate opinions? - michaelsean - 10-10-2016 Dino can't you vomit in the toilet like everyone else? ![]() RE: Debate opinions? - GMDino - 10-10-2016 (10-10-2016, 02:16 PM)michaelsean Wrote: Dino can't you vomit in the toilet like everyone else? A little OCD. I need facts and full stories. That's why I didn't go into journalism...I saw the sound-bite generation coming up behind me in school. ![]() RE: Debate opinions? - Bengalholic - 10-10-2016 I don't chime in to PnR often, but I did want to share some thoughts on the 2 debates so far. In the first debate, I thought Hillary was the clear winner, and it wasn't even close. She was extremely poised, confident and baited the shit out of Trump. He seemed out of his element, completely unprepared and flat-out childish on many occasions. With the second debate, I thought it was a lot closer, with Hillary having only a slight edge. I wouldn't disagree with those who called it a draw. Trump did better at being on the offensive and did score 2 or 3 pretty good jabs. He still had trouble maintaining any real composure though, and on certain topics...just sounded completely lost. I thought we saw Hillary get slightly rattled a couple of times, and she also avoided directly answering questions more than once, and had terrible responses on a couple of occasions. However, she still seemed much more presidential and simply far more knowledgeable/experienced on foreign policy topics. I don't think these 2 debates have really changed the minds of anyone who was already supporting Hillary or Trump. I think they just re-affirmed what most already knew...both are liars, both are shady as hell and both come with never ending baggage. If I had to bet my house, I would say the Hillary will end up the victor and it probably won't be as close as some think. Overall though, I'm just very disappointed that these are the choices we're stuck with. RE: Debate opinions? - Belsnickel - 10-10-2016 (10-10-2016, 01:08 PM)bfine32 Wrote: It doesn't matter if we ask here who won. You give me a board member and I will tell you who they say won. Trump came out strong with the comments like that, but then he would follow up with a lot of rambling that sounded like he had just filled his head with statistics and wanted to blurt them all out before he forgot them. I thought for a while that he had her on the ropes and was going to rule the debate, but his word salad responses and his whining about the moderation when he interrupted more, was given more opportunities to respond, and spoke longer kind of killed it for me. I was especially baffled when he accused the moderators of not asking about the emails when the question that had most recently been asked was about the emails. Neither of them came out looking good in this debate. I will say this, that ending on a positive note thing was excellent. I was so happy to see that in there. RE: Debate opinions? - Belsnickel - 10-10-2016 Debate fact check from FactCheck.org http://www.factcheck.org/2016/10/factchecking-the-second-presidential-debate/ RE: Debate opinions? - bfine32 - 10-10-2016 (10-10-2016, 02:56 PM)Belsnickel Wrote: I will say this, that ending on a positive note thing was excellent. I was so happy to see that in there. Yep, but only one was gracious enough to say something positive about the other person. RE: Debate opinions? - GMDino - 10-10-2016 (10-10-2016, 05:03 PM)bfine32 Wrote: Yep, but only one was gracious enough to say something positive about the other person. Moan, *****, complain.... RE: Debate opinions? - Rotobeast - 10-10-2016 I have a new laptop and for some reason I cannot quote someone and copy/paste something in the reply. So anyway.... Regarding Dino bringing up Trump's sniffling.... Bill Weld made mention of it. Quote: HOROWITZ, 9:17: Do you think Mr. Trump is being effective in trying to pivot from his “locker room talk” (“I don’t think you understood what was said”) to knocking the hell out of ISIS, will work? How would you keep him on that point?: RE: Debate opinions? - Rotobeast - 10-11-2016 Oh.... Almost forgot this actual poll from the Washington Times. ![]() RE: Debate opinions? - Belsnickel - 10-11-2016 (10-11-2016, 12:55 AM)Rotobeast Wrote: Oh.... Not surprising, that paper is one read by conservatives and it isn't a rag like some others, so its readers are going to go that route. RE: Debate opinions? - GMDino - 10-11-2016 (10-11-2016, 12:55 AM)Rotobeast Wrote: Oh.... I bet the Trump supporters are crowing the he won since Johnson wasn't there.... ![]() RE: Debate opinions? - PhilHos - 10-11-2016 One thing that made me laugh out loud (aside from the jail and Lincoln quips) was after Trump gave his answer about Muslims needing to help America reporting, Hillary berates Trump ava then talk about how Muslims should be reporting other Muslims. I was like , that's what Trump just said. Lol Sent from my SPH-L710T using Tapatalk RE: Debate opinions? - Belsnickel - 10-11-2016 (10-11-2016, 01:12 PM)PhilHos Wrote: One thing that made me laugh out loud (aside from the jail and Lincoln quips) was after Trump gave his answer about Muslims needing to help America reporting, Hillary berates Trump ava then talk about how Muslims should be reporting other Muslims. I was like , that's what Trump just said. Lol Yeah, neither one of them gave a very good performance on that stage. I asked a prof of political science I have lunch with somewhat regularly if he could bring himself to laugh at this or if he just cringed a lot. He said even with his sense of humor, it's hard to laugh at this situation. RE: Debate opinions? - Rotobeast - 10-11-2016 (10-11-2016, 07:38 AM)Belsnickel Wrote: Not surprising, that paper is one read by conservatives and it isn't a rag like some others, so its readers are going to go that route. I figured as much. It still tickles me. (10-11-2016, 07:50 AM)GMDino Wrote: I bet the Trump supporters are crowing the he won since Johnson wasn't there.... I'd wager you're correct. Sent from my SM-S820L using Tapatalk RE: Debate opinions? - tigerseye - 10-12-2016 In the 1st debate Hillary won by alot. In the 2nd debate Trump crushed her. In the 3rd debate ? RE: Debate opinions? - Belsnickel - 10-12-2016 (10-12-2016, 08:26 AM)tigerseye Wrote: In the 1st debate Hillary won by alot. The two post debate polls I have seen put Clinton as the winner. His much higher interruption rate, higher number of inaccurate statements, and his insistent whining about speaking time even though he got more time than she did, also point to an edge to Clinton. But, he came out strong and he was on the attack the whole time, he just came off bad. His base won't see it that way, but that's not who is going to be swayed by debates anyway. All in all, I call it essentially a draw. RE: Debate opinions? - tigerseye - 10-12-2016 Polls are only as honest as the organization performing the polls. Main Stream Media = (Main Stream Propaganda). Thanks to Bill Clintons work as President the media is now controlled by a small number of extemely rich individuals instead of being thousands of independent news reporting agencies. I do think that people are starting to wake up to what is going on though. The 3rd debate should be interesting. RE: Debate opinions? - Belsnickel - 10-12-2016 (10-12-2016, 10:37 AM)tigerseye Wrote: Polls are only as honest as the organization performing the polls. Main Stream Media = (Main Stream Propaganda). Thanks to Bill Clintons work as President the media is now controlled by a small number of extemely rich individuals instead of being thousands of independent news reporting agencies. I do think that people are starting to wake up to what is going on though. Any public opinion poll is flawed, no denying that. The issue is that we have nothing better to go by. It is also why you will often see two news organizations that tend to lean in opposite directions team up for a poll. Online polls that are posted on websites are meaningless, what pundits say don't necessarily reflect public opinion or even reality. So the best we have to go on is public polling. Every news agency, every single one, is biased. There is no way around it, just the nature of the business. |