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RE: Wisconsin Is Systematically Failing to Provide the Photo IDs Required to Vote in Nov - Belsnickel - 10-04-2016 (10-04-2016, 01:30 PM)bfine32 Wrote: Every U.S.Citizen should be allowed to vote; baring anything you have done to forfiet that right. Any cost required to vote could be considered a poll tax and would be unconstitutional per the 24th Amendment. RE: Wisconsin Is Systematically Failing to Provide the Photo IDs Required to Vote in Nov - GMDino - 10-04-2016 (10-04-2016, 01:30 PM)bfine32 Wrote: Every U.S.Citizen should be allowed to vote; baring anything you have done to forfiet that right. And the problem is, if you read the article, they are not doing that. RE: Wisconsin Is Systematically Failing to Provide the Photo IDs Required to Vote in Nov - bfine32 - 10-04-2016 (10-04-2016, 01:34 PM)Belsnickel Wrote: Any cost required to vote could be considered a poll tax and would be unconstitutional per the 24th Amendment. I suppose a court would have to decide. Is it violating equal protection is everyone is charged to same percentage? RE: Wisconsin Is Systematically Failing to Provide the Photo IDs Required to Vote - Belsnickel - 10-04-2016 (10-04-2016, 01:40 PM)bfine32 Wrote: I suppose a court would have to decide. Is it violating equal protection is everyone is charged to same percentage? Text of the 24th: Quote:Section 1. The right of citizens of the United States to vote in any primary or other election for President or Vice President, for electors for President or Vice President, or for Senator or Representative in Congress, shall not be denied or abridged by the United States or any State by reason of failure to pay any poll tax or other tax. It would go to the courts to determine whether the requirement to purchase an ID would be considered a tax, though the decision of Crawford v. Marion County Electoral Board did specify in the majority opinion that the reason there was not a substantial burden on the right to vote was because the IDs were free. So it may be that the precedent is there. RE: Wisconsin Is Systematically Failing to Provide the Photo IDs Required to Vote in Nov - bfine32 - 10-04-2016 (10-04-2016, 01:59 PM)Belsnickel Wrote: Text of the 24th: As I understand the 24th was passed because the "tax" was a flat rate; I could see how this would bias the poor. If we provide free IDs to folks to vote; then someone else is just paying the "tax". RE: Wisconsin Is Systematically Failing to Provide the Photo IDs Required to Vote in Nov - Belsnickel - 10-04-2016 (10-04-2016, 02:03 PM)bfine32 Wrote: As I understand the 24th was passed because the "tax" was a flat rate; I could see how this would bias the poor. If we provide free IDs to folks to vote; then someone else is just paying the "tax". The thing to keep in mind is that even with a flat rate you are looking at something that creates a greater burden on the poor. 1% to someone with a taxable income of $25k is a much greater deal than 1% to someone making $100k when taking into account costs of living. That being said, the court case precedent is there. IIRC, in all that has gone on, the view has been since that case that the ID will have to be free in order for it to pass judicial scrutiny. RE: Wisconsin Is Systematically Failing to Provide the Photo IDs Required to Vote in Nov - bfine32 - 10-04-2016 (10-04-2016, 02:09 PM)Belsnickel Wrote: The thing to keep in mind is that even with a flat rate you are looking at something that creates a greater burden on the poor. 1% to someone with a taxable income of $25k is a much greater deal than 1% to someone making $100k when taking into account costs of living. Hell, being poor is a bigger burden than being rich, but just because I take 1% from each doesn't mean someone is being treated unfairly and as I said, the ID will not be "free" just because the one getting it doesn't have to pay for it. RE: Wisconsin Is Systematically Failing to Provide the Photo IDs Required to Vote in Nov - Belsnickel - 10-04-2016 (10-04-2016, 02:14 PM)bfine32 Wrote: Hell, being poor is a bigger burden than being rich, but just because I take 1% from each doesn't mean someone is being treated unfairly and as I said, the ID will not be "free" just because the one getting it doesn't have to pay for it. Nothing is free, but in the minds of many people if they do not have to pay for it directly then it is free. Some people understand this, some people don't. Either way, the viewpoint of the law is that if they don't have to directly pay for it, then it is free and if it is free it is not a substantial burden to voting. If it is not free, then it could be considered to be a burden to voting and therefore a violation of the law. Your problem is with the court ruling and the interpretations since, not with me. RE: Wisconsin Is Systematically Failing to Provide the Photo IDs Required to Vote in Nov - fredtoast - 10-04-2016 (10-04-2016, 02:14 PM)bfine32 Wrote: Hell, being poor is a bigger burden than being rich, but just because I take 1% from each doesn't mean someone is being treated unfairly Yes it does if a poor person needs 100% of his income just for living expenses. Even $20 dollars can be a big deal for people who are just barely scraping by. RE: Wisconsin Is Systematically Failing to Provide the Photo IDs Required to Vote in Nov - fredtoast - 10-04-2016 BTW I have no problem with requiring photo voter ID if every person gets a free photo ID when they register to vote. RE: Wisconsin Is Systematically Failing to Provide the Photo IDs Required to Vote in Nov - bfine32 - 10-04-2016 (10-04-2016, 02:25 PM)fredtoast Wrote: Yes it does if a poor person needs 100% of his income just for living expenses. As I said being poor is a burden, but no one is being treated unfairly, but we are headed down the wrong path. Let's make the IDs "free" to all. RE: Wisconsin Is Systematically Failing to Provide the Photo IDs Required to Vote in Nov - fredtoast - 10-04-2016 (10-04-2016, 02:31 PM)bfine32 Wrote: Let's make the IDs "free" to all. Good idea. RE: Wisconsin Is Systematically Failing to Provide the Photo IDs Required to Vote in Nov - bfine32 - 10-04-2016 (10-04-2016, 02:33 PM)fredtoast Wrote: Good idea. I thought you would like that. RE: Wisconsin Is Systematically Failing to Provide the Photo IDs Required to Vote in Nov - Rotobeast - 10-05-2016 (10-04-2016, 02:31 PM)bfine32 Wrote: As I said being poor is a burden, but no one is being treated unfairly, but we are headed down the wrong path.Agreed. I have no problem with my tax dollars being used for this. Sent from my SM-S820L using Tapatalk RE: Wisconsin Is Systematically Failing to Provide the Photo IDs Required to Vote in Nov - Belsnickel - 10-05-2016 (10-05-2016, 12:51 PM)Rotobeast Wrote: Agreed. Same. I feel if there is anything I would like my tax dollars to go for it would be the protection of civil liberties and civil rights. RE: Wisconsin Is Systematically Failing to Provide the Photo IDs Required to Vote in Nov - bfine32 - 10-05-2016 (10-05-2016, 12:51 PM)Rotobeast Wrote: Agreed. (10-05-2016, 12:58 PM)Belsnickel Wrote: Same. I feel if there is anything I would like my tax dollars to go for it would be the protection of civil liberties and civil rights. You guys OK with subsidizing the price of a hand gun for the poor? RE: Wisconsin Is Systematically Failing to Provide the Photo IDs Required to Vote in Nov - Rotobeast - 10-05-2016 (10-05-2016, 01:27 PM)bfine32 Wrote: You guys OK with subsidizing the price of a hand gun for the poor?No, I want free free guns FOR EVERYONE !! Seriously though, I guess I missed something. Sent from my SM-S820L using Tapatalk RE: Wisconsin Is Systematically Failing to Provide the Photo IDs Required to Vote in Nov - Dill - 10-05-2016 (10-02-2016, 05:05 AM)JustWinBaby Wrote: Call it for what it is - Repub pandering that there is mass voter fraud, and Dem pandering that it's to disenfranchise blacks. None of that is neither here nor there - you should have an ID. "Dem pandering" is another term for defending all citizens' constitutional rights. Don Yelton: North Carolina GOP Precinct Chair: Voter ID Law Will “Kick Democrats in the Butt” and Hurt “Lazy Blacks” [b]Fran Millar: Georgia Senator Complains About Polling Place Being Too Convenient for Black Voters[/b] [b]Doug Preis: An Ohio GOP Chair Says We Shouldn’t Accommodate the “Urban — Read African-American — Voter-Turnout Machine"[/b] http://billmoyers.com/2014/10/24/voter-discrimination/ http://www.truth-out.org/opinion/item/35539-the-gop-is-now-bragging-about-voter-suppression RE: Wisconsin Is Systematically Failing to Provide the Photo IDs Required to Vote in Nov - Belsnickel - 10-05-2016 (10-05-2016, 01:27 PM)bfine32 Wrote: You guys OK with subsidizing the price of a hand gun for the poor? We already do, the military. Aside from that, you're talking about something provided by the private sector versus the government. And you aren't required to pay a tax/fee for bearing a firearm. Firearms themselves are private property, the ability to have one is your individual liberty (at least since 2010) so as long as the government doesn't tax just your ability to have one, then it's not a violation of the civil liberty. RE: Wisconsin Is Systematically Failing to Provide the Photo IDs Required to Vote in Nov - bfine32 - 10-05-2016 (10-05-2016, 02:32 PM)Belsnickel Wrote: We already do, the military. I assume this is a long, no. Does being poor make it a larger burden to exercise your right and liberty to own a firearm? Can these voter cards be made by private companies? Just looking for a little consistency here. |