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RE: Rubio: Life begins at conception - Brownshoe - 08-11-2015
(08-11-2015, 01:16 PM)BmorePat87 Wrote: Survive outside of the womb assisted, yes. So I'm not wrong. Thanks for playing.
No, You just said survive outside of the womb. Meaning under that definition newborns wouldn't have fetal viability
RE: Rubio: Life begins at conception - BmorePat87 - 08-11-2015
(08-11-2015, 01:09 PM)PhilHos Wrote: Wrong. Unless I'm mistaken (and I admit, I could be), fetal viability is about a fetus' ability to pump blood on its own, breathe on its own, etc. Now, if I AM mistaken and fetal viability is solely about a fetus' ability to "survive" then no child is viable until they're about 2-3 years old - whenever it is they can feed and dress themselves.
So, sure, go ahead and hang your argument on survivability alone and be in favor of parents killing their 1-2 year olds because they're inconvenient, but that's okay because the child was unable to survive outside the womb.
You are mistaken. It's the ability of a fetus to survive outside of the womb (assisted by modern technology, obviously). You can google this if you don't believe me. Or you can ignore that you're wrong and suggest that I am talking about kids being able to fend on their own.
(08-11-2015, 01:11 PM)PhilHos Wrote: You do realize, right, that if left unchecked, fetuses eventually become newborns?
I've never known anyone, well, 'til now, who didn't understand that basic fact.
So will a zygote. Is that a newborn too?
RE: Rubio: Life begins at conception - bfine32 - 08-11-2015
Do people really not know when life begins?
Many have been short-changed by their Biology teacher.
RE: Rubio: Life begins at conception - BmorePat87 - 08-11-2015
(08-11-2015, 01:18 PM)Brownshoe Wrote: No, You just said survive outside of the womb. Meaning under that definition newborns wouldn't have fetal viability
Who the hell would expect a fetus to survive on the ground outside the womb?
Also, newborns have a 99% survivability rate outside the womb.
RE: Rubio: Life begins at conception - BmorePat87 - 08-11-2015
(08-11-2015, 01:19 PM)bfine32 Wrote: Do people really not know when life begins?
Many have been short-changed by their Biology teacher.
When does life begin?
RE: Rubio: Life begins at conception - Brownshoe - 08-11-2015
(08-11-2015, 01:19 PM)bfine32 Wrote: Do people really not know when life begins?
Many have been short-changed by their Biology teacher.
That's the public education system for you
RE: Rubio: Life begins at conception - bfine32 - 08-11-2015
(08-11-2015, 01:21 PM)BmorePat87 Wrote: When does life begin?
At conception; it's not really that complicated.
Now we can spend hours (see thread as proof) as to what arbitrary qualifiers we can place on it.
RE: Rubio: Life begins at conception - RICHMONDBENGAL_07 - 08-11-2015
(08-11-2015, 01:22 PM)Brownshoe Wrote: That's the public education system for you
I agree it's sad :snark:
RE: Rubio: Life begins at conception - RICHMONDBENGAL_07 - 08-11-2015
(08-11-2015, 01:25 PM)bfine32 Wrote: At conception
lol
RE: Rubio: Life begins at conception - BmorePat87 - 08-11-2015
(08-11-2015, 01:25 PM)bfine32 Wrote: At conception; it's not really that complicated.
Now we can spend hours (see thread as proof) as to what arbitrary qualifiers we can place on it.
So a fertilized egg? Thanks for your opinion
RE: Rubio: Life begins at conception - Brownshoe - 08-11-2015
(08-11-2015, 01:29 PM)BmorePat87 Wrote: So a fertilized egg? Thanks for your opinion
Not an opinion
RE: Rubio: Life begins at conception - BmorePat87 - 08-11-2015
(08-11-2015, 01:30 PM)Brownshoe Wrote: Not an opinion
Ok
RE: Rubio: Life begins at conception - GMDino - 08-11-2015
(08-11-2015, 01:16 PM)Brownshoe Wrote: The funny thing is 100 years from now that could be much much lower. Would that effect the way people think about abortions if medical staff could hook the embryo up to a machine, and it still is able to survive.
Maybe. And if that's the case it will have to be adjusted. Until that magical time in fantasy land it is 22 weeks. Both of my children were born at 26 weeks and a few days. Trust me. Its not much earlier than that.
(08-11-2015, 01:19 PM)bfine32 Wrote: Do people really not know when life begins?
Many have been short-changed by their Biology teacher.
(08-11-2015, 01:22 PM)Brownshoe Wrote: That's the public education system for you
(08-11-2015, 01:25 PM)bfine32 Wrote: Catholic school here.
(08-11-2015, 01:21 PM)BmorePat87 Wrote: When does life begin?
At conception; it's not really that complicated.
Now we can spend hours (see thread as proof) as to what arbitrary qualifiers we can place on it.
Except that even then the egg hasn't attached to the woman. It has just as much chance of being passed on as becoming a human at that point.
(08-11-2015, 01:27 PM)RICHMONDBENGAL_07 Wrote: I agree it's sad :snark:
I agree too. A bunch of men telling women they don't know what is best for themselves and their fetus.
RE: Rubio: Life begins at conception - bfine32 - 08-11-2015
(08-11-2015, 01:29 PM)RICHMONDBENGAL_07 Wrote: lol
I guess feel free to go with what your Biology teacher told you.
RE: Rubio: Life begins at conception - bfine32 - 08-11-2015
(08-11-2015, 01:35 PM)GMDino Wrote: Except that even then the egg hasn't attached to the woman. ts has just as much chance of being passed on as becoming a human at that point.
Did I suggest otherwise?
RE: Rubio: Life begins at conception - GMDino - 08-11-2015
(08-11-2015, 01:37 PM)bfine32 Wrote: Did I suggest otherwise?
Do you ever stand up for what you said? Or do you just ask questions when someone raises a point counter to yours?
RE: Rubio: Life begins at conception - RICHMONDBENGAL_07 - 08-11-2015
(08-11-2015, 01:35 PM)bfine32 Wrote: I guess feel free to go with what your Biology teacher told you.
I'll go with what mine told me rather than what yours told you.
RE: Rubio: Life begins at conception - bfine32 - 08-11-2015
(08-11-2015, 01:38 PM)GMDino Wrote: Do you ever stand up for what you said? Or do you just ask questions when someone raises a point counter to yours?
Not sure where I (here we go again) did not stand up for my position. Actually wouldn't questioning someone that refuted toyr position be doing just that.
I continue to stand by the fact that life begins at conception. There are countless other ways it can end; some natural and some caused by man.
RE: Rubio: Life begins at conception - BmorePat87 - 08-11-2015
(08-11-2015, 01:16 PM)Brownshoe Wrote: The funny thing is 100 years from now that could be much much lower. Would that effect the way people think about abortions if medical staff could hook the embryo up to a machine, and it still is able to survive.
That's very true. In 100 years, fetal viability could be at 8 weeks.
In which case, some adjustments will probably be made.
RE: Rubio: Life begins at conception - fredtoast - 08-11-2015
(08-10-2015, 02:13 AM)Brownshoe Wrote: So would your opinion change if new advances in medical technology allows the fetus to live at 1 week after conception? Just because it can't live without help does not make it any more or less alive. Any human that is alive should have rights.
We can not grant individual rights to something that is not an individual.
What you want to do is take rights away from the host mother. You can not do that in the name of individual rights when there is not other individual.