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RE: Rubio: Life begins at conception - bfine32 - 08-11-2015
(08-11-2015, 01:39 PM)RICHMONDBENGAL_07 Wrote: I'll go with what mine told me rather than what yours told you.
Do share.
RE: Rubio: Life begins at conception - Brownshoe - 08-11-2015
(08-11-2015, 01:41 PM)BmorePat87 Wrote: That's very true. In 100 years, fetal viability could be at 8 weeks.
In which case, some adjustments will probably be made.
How does technology allow life to start earlier?
RE: Rubio: Life begins at conception - Brownshoe - 08-11-2015
(08-11-2015, 01:41 PM)fredtoast Wrote: We can not grant individual rights to something that is not an individual.
What you want to do is take rights away from the host mother. You can not do that in the name of individual rights when there is not other individual.
How do you know it's not an individual? It has different DNA, and it has it's own heart and brain.
RE: Rubio: Life begins at conception - fredtoast - 08-11-2015
(08-10-2015, 02:13 AM)Brownshoe Wrote: So would your opinion change if new advances in medical technology allows the fetus to live at 1 week after conception?
Yes, that might change everything.
Once it is possible for the fetus to survive separate from the mother then it might be due individual rights.
I don't see a lot of pro-life people protesting against fertility clinics that routinely destroy hundreds of fertilized eggs. and the reason is that people relaize that a fertilized egg is not a person who is due individual rights.
RE: Rubio: Life begins at conception - Brownshoe - 08-11-2015
(08-11-2015, 01:44 PM)fredtoast Wrote: Yes, that might change everything.
Once it is possible for the fetus to survive separate from the mother then it might be due individual rights.
I don't see a lot of pro-life people protesting against fertility clinics that routinely destroy hundreds of fertilized eggs. and the reason is that people relaize that a fertilized egg is not a person who is due individual rights.
So if it might change everything that mean that the past practices were murder.
RE: Rubio: Life begins at conception - GMDino - 08-11-2015
(08-11-2015, 01:48 PM)Brownshoe Wrote: So if it might change everything that mean that the past practices were murder.
Was it murder when doctors didn't wash their hands before a surgery and infected patients?
RE: Rubio: Life begins at conception - fredtoast - 08-11-2015
(08-10-2015, 10:09 PM)Brownshoe Wrote: That something is a human life. If it's not a human life then what is it, and what magically happens to turn it into a human?
It is not an individual because it is impossible for it to live without the host mother. At this point the individual rights of the mother are superior to that of a fetus that still can not survive without her.
The fact that it has a beating heart does not mean it can survive as an individual.
RE: Rubio: Life begins at conception - RICHMONDBENGAL_07 - 08-11-2015
(08-11-2015, 01:42 PM)bfine32 Wrote: Do share.
I'll show you mine if you show me yours.
RE: Rubio: Life begins at conception - Brownshoe - 08-11-2015
(08-11-2015, 01:53 PM)GMDino Wrote: Was it murder when doctors didn't wash their hands before a surgery and infected patients?
Totally different. One tried to save people, and the other is killing people.
RE: Rubio: Life begins at conception - fredtoast - 08-11-2015
(08-11-2015, 01:48 PM)Brownshoe Wrote: So if it might change everything that mean that the past practices were murder.
No it does not because it was impossible to keep the fetus alive in the past.
RE: Rubio: Life begins at conception - BmorePat87 - 08-11-2015
(08-11-2015, 01:43 PM)Brownshoe Wrote: How does technology allow life to start earlier?
It can allow it start on its own sooner. It can allow it to last longer too.
RE: Rubio: Life begins at conception - fredtoast - 08-11-2015
(08-11-2015, 01:56 PM)Brownshoe Wrote: Totally different. One tried to save people, and the other is killing people.
You can not use a hypothetical future discovery to judge what a person is doing today.
RE: Rubio: Life begins at conception - GMDino - 08-11-2015
(08-11-2015, 01:56 PM)Brownshoe Wrote: Totally different. One tried to save people, and the other is killing people.
It was people being killed because of the lack of technology to keep them alive.
Bleeding the disease out of people?
The list goes on about scientific discoveries that in retrospect show how we were killing ourselves and others due to our ignorance.
Today, August 11, 2015, a fetus cannot survive outside the womb before 22 weeks (or so). Given that fact it has been set as a point where "life" begins.
That's the legalese of it.
What's funny is I don't disagree that abortion is wrong. I just disagree that I can make a woman carry out an unplanned / unwanted pregnancy because *I* want her too.
RE: Rubio: Life begins at conception - fredtoast - 08-11-2015
(08-11-2015, 01:44 PM)Brownshoe Wrote: How do you know it's not an individual? It has different DNA, and it has it's own heart and brain.
I know it is not an individual because it is impossible for it to live as an individual separate and apart from the mothers body.
RE: Rubio: Life begins at conception - bfine32 - 08-11-2015
(08-11-2015, 01:55 PM)RICHMONDBENGAL_07 Wrote: I'll show you mine if you show me yours.
I've already informed you of my teaching. I was just curious what other "theories" are being taught out there, that would lead someone to "LOL" at the assertion that life begins at conception.
RE: Rubio: Life begins at conception - fredtoast - 08-11-2015
(08-11-2015, 01:43 PM)Brownshoe Wrote: How does technology allow life to start earlier?
It doesn't. It just helps define when a fetus is due individual rights greater than those of the mother.
Until it can survive separate and apart from the mother then it can not have individual rights that are greater than those of the mother.
RE: Rubio: Life begins at conception - RICHMONDBENGAL_07 - 08-11-2015
(08-11-2015, 02:02 PM)bfine32 Wrote: I've already informed you of my teaching. I was just curious what other "theories" are being taught out there, that would lead someone to "LOL" at the assertion that life begins at conception.
And its already been discussed...with plenty of evidence. But you have your mind made up so...lol.
RE: Rubio: Life begins at conception - bfine32 - 08-11-2015
(08-11-2015, 02:10 PM)RICHMONDBENGAL_07 Wrote: And its already been discussed...with plenty of evidence. But you have your mind made up so...lol.I didn't ask what has been discussed; as I have seen a number of different qualifiers. For instance Pat was taught at 22 weeks after conception.
The question is quite simple and I was able to give a straight answer. So let's try one more again: When did your Biology teacher instruct you that life begins?
RE: Rubio: Life begins at conception - RICHMONDBENGAL_07 - 08-11-2015
(08-11-2015, 02:25 PM)bfine32 Wrote: I didn't ask what has been discussed; as I have seen a number of different qualifiers. For instance Pat was taught at 22 weeks after conception.
The question is quite simple and I was able to give a straight answer. So let's try one more again: When did your Biology teacher instruct you that life begins?
Not at conception.
RE: Rubio: Life begins at conception - BmorePat87 - 08-11-2015
Does anyone else find it amusing that the guy who thinks evolution isn't real is suggesting we all were failed by our bio teachers?