(08-11-2015, 02:25 PM)bfine32 Wrote: I didn't ask what has been discussed; as I have seen a number of different qualifiers. For instance Pat was taught at 22 weeks after conception.

The question is quite simple and I was able to give a straight answer. So let's try one more again: When did your Biology teacher instruct you that life begins? 

(08-11-2015, 02:29 PM)BmorePat87 Wrote: Does anyone else find it amusing that the guy who thinks evolution isn't real is suggesting we all were failed by our bio teachers?

(08-11-2015, 02:36 PM)bfine32 Wrote: Please try to be a little more forthright than Richmond.

(08-11-2015, 02:38 PM)RICHMONDBENGAL_07 Wrote: Check out the link above slick

(08-11-2015, 02:36 PM)bfine32 Wrote: I know I find it quite hilarious.

When did your Biology teacher instruction you that life began.

Please try to be a little more forthright than Richmond.

(08-11-2015, 02:41 PM)BmorePat87 Wrote: I quite honestly can't remember learning a start date for life in college or high school.

(08-11-2015, 02:43 PM)bfine32 Wrote: This is unfortunate. I can now appreciate your confusion on the matter. i think the first time we learned about it; there was an instructional video.

(08-11-2015, 02:43 PM)bfine32 Wrote: This is unfortunate. I can now appreciate your confusion on the matter. i think the first time we learned about it; there was an instructional video.

(08-11-2015, 02:47 PM)fredtoast Wrote: My biology teacher never told me that a fertilized egg was an individual human.  Instead I was taught that over time the fertilized egg developed into a human.

And I was never taught that a fertilized egg was entitled to individual legal rights that would supersede those of the mother.

(08-11-2015, 02:49 PM)bfine32 Wrote: Did the teacher happen to mention when life began?

(08-11-2015, 02:49 PM)BmorePat87 Wrote: I just looked up the curriculum. There's nothing about teaching what stage in human development do we decide that human life begins.

There was this whole unit on this made up mumbo-jumbo called evolution, though. 


What's the video you watched? I'll forward the info the the science ITL at my school and tell them they we need to have an answer to when life begins.

(08-11-2015, 02:53 PM)GMDino Wrote: Millions of years ago.

(08-11-2015, 02:49 PM)bfine32 Wrote: Did the teacher happen to mention when life began?

(08-11-2015, 02:41 PM)bfine32 Wrote: So your Biology teacher referenced an article on ethics to explain when life begins? Did he do this for all reproductive creatures or just humans?

I will admit alternative education has its merits.


(Also I don't think you want me to quote the one definitive answer the link gives).

(08-11-2015, 02:54 PM)bfine32 Wrote: Strawman and "decisions" aside; Do you guys have anything on Biology to states when life begins?

Yes, I think it would be important for your science teachers to know when life begins; but that's just my educational experience.

(08-11-2015, 02:56 PM)fredtoast Wrote: Not relevant for this abortion topic.

(08-11-2015, 02:56 PM)bfine32 Wrote: It's Ok. I don't blame you. A forthright answer may not be too popular.

• the moment of fertilisation is an entirely logical point to choose as the beginning of human life
  
• it's one of the few points that isn't arbitrary or difficult to judge, as an egg is either fertilised or not
  
• at this point the fertilised egg has begun to develop into a separate and unique human being
  
• at this point the fertilised egg contains the full genetic code of a human being
  
  • not a very good argument, since so do all the cells of the body
    
    
• It's the beginning of a process of development and maturation that doesn't end until the individual naturally dies, or is killed
  
• but it only marks the beginning of biological life
  
• some people believe that biological life is not sufficient to give the foetus the right to life
  
  

• this point is easy to identify
  
• but this point is just as arbitrary as any other date
  
  

• the idea came from a now abandoned Christian theory that this was the moment that the foetus got its soul
  
  • for example St. Augustine made a distinction between embryo inanimatus, not yet endowed with a soul, and embryo animatus, endowed with a soul
    
    
• without "ensoulment", quickening does not seem to have any merit as the start time for human rights
  
• medically, the time of quickening is influenced by irrelevant factors, such as the number of previous pregnancies that the mother has had
  
  

• these are purely arbitrary times - and there's certainly no reason for males and females to get the right to life at different stages of development
  
• the idea itself came out of Aristotle's three-stage theory of life: vegetable, animal, rational. The vegetable stage was reached at conception, the animal at 'animation', and the rational soon after live birth.
  
  

• this covers a lengthy period of time
  
• tissue type separation doesn't seem to have any obvious moral - so the choice of this as the key date is probably because the increasingly human appearance of the foetus causes us to feel increasingly protective of the foetus
  
  

• this is a logical point, as it marks a necessary state for many of the characteristics that some people think a 'moral person' has to possess
  
• but brain activity at this stage is no more than a precondition - it doesn't demonstrate that the foetus is actually 'conscious'
  
  

• this is the most common criterion used in drafting laws regulating abortion
  
• whether a foetus can survive outside the womb depends on:
  
  • the state of medical science
    
  • the medical facilities available at a particular location
    
  • the competence or willingness of the mother (or some other care-giver)
    
  • the gender of the foetus
    
  • the race of the foetus
    
    
• there is something unsatisfactory about a being's rights being determined by its sex or race, the state of medical science, the state of medical facilities at a particular location, or the type of mother it has
  
  

• This appears to be a clear and unambiguous date, but there is disagreement on the point at when a baby is actually born. Is it:
  
  • when part of the baby is outside the mother's body?
    
  • when the whole baby is outside the mother's body?
    
  • or when the placenta separates from the womb and the foetus has to rely on its own resources to keep alive?
    
    
• Some people say that it's odd that a being's right to life should depend on whether a being is located inside or outside the womb
  
  • But they miss the essential point which is that at birth the baby begins to exist independently of the mother
    
    

(08-11-2015, 02:58 PM)BmorePat87 Wrote: What's a strawman? You asked if I was taught it and I went back to my county's curriculum (i work in the county I went to school in) to verify that it is not in it. 

If you have the video, I'd love to share it with my ITL.

Quote:The human life cycle begins at fertilization, when an egg cell inside a woman and a sperm cell from a man fuse to form a one-celled zygote .