(05-11-2020, 06:03 PM)fredtoast Wrote: And there is evidence that he was just out for a jog, but that is not what we were discussing.

You asked us what evidence we believe and we ask you the same question back.  Since you asked us first I don't see what the problem is in asking you to do something other than repeat false claims and call them your beliefs.




If nothing else can you at least answer the exact same question you asked me?

Do you believe he was just out for a jog?

(05-11-2020, 02:38 PM)bfine32 Wrote: I do not believe he was simply out for a jog; however, that does not excuse what happened to him. Both men should never see sunshine again. 

(05-11-2020, 02:44 PM)bfine32 Wrote: I believe there is evidence he was trespassing in a neighborhood that had had a rash of break ins. 

Quote:Now your turn. (Actually, it was your turn before I answered, but I know how it goes). What do you believe?  

(05-11-2020, 03:56 PM)bfine32 Wrote: You knew that I think it matters to help find the truth?

Is there a difference between:

They shot him because they thought he was robbing homes in the area and he was found entering one under construction

or

They shot him just because he was jogging down the street

We have seen acts of violence flair up in places like Ferguson over a false narrative. It'd most likely to be able to nip this one in the bud if possible.  

(05-11-2020, 05:45 PM)bfine32 Wrote: So I didn't call the black victim a liar, but you refuse to STFU. so

Actually the mother said he was most likely just out for a jog

I never said I believe there was a rash of break ins. I said there was evidence and I provided it.The accused testimony. 

I've plainly said there's no excuse for them murdering the kid and they should never see the light of day. In what logic does that equal "excusing their actions"

With that feel free to continue to call folks liars, say they say things they never do, and fabricate stance to make them appear to be irrational and racists. That usually leads to constructive conversation. 

(05-11-2020, 06:08 PM)bfine32 Wrote: I did ask first and still haven't gotten one answer while freely providing mine. I have received a bunch of false accusations and antagonism, but not one answer. 

(05-11-2020, 07:38 PM)oncemoreuntothejimbreech Wrote: That’s not true. You mentioned evidence of trespassing without explaining why you think he wasn’t out for a jog.

Just come out a write in plain English what you think his intent was for running through that neighborhood since you have repeatedly claimed it wasn’t for exercise.

(05-11-2020, 07:33 PM)oncemoreuntothejimbreech Wrote: So you’re calling Arbery’s mother a liar.

(05-11-2020, 07:38 PM)oncemoreuntothejimbreech Wrote: That’s not true. You mentioned evidence of trespassing without explaining why you think he wasn’t out for a jog.

Just come out a write in plain English what you think his intent was for running through that neighborhood since you have repeatedly claimed it wasn’t for exercise.

(05-11-2020, 08:15 PM)bfine32 Wrote: I sure did. The accused reported a rash of recent break ins. He could have been casing the neighborhood. I don't feel like answering the same questions over and over again. Do you think he was just out for a jog.

(05-11-2020, 08:41 PM)GMDino Wrote: bfine believes the accused would not lie about why he chased down a man jogging in his neighborhood and shot him until dead.  But he does believe that a *possible* three minute walk through an unfinished home is reason enough to suspect the victim was part of a "casing" that the shooter alleged.

It all makes perfect sense if you're...of a certain mind set when it comes to looking at the shooter and the victim.

(05-11-2020, 09:29 PM)bfine32 Wrote: WTF did I say the accused weren't lying. Yours and other's constant false accusations should not be allowed. But we both know...

Here's the deal:

Folks are trying to paint this as a "Black guy killed for just jogging" narrative. When quite possibly it could be "Men kill jogger who was trespassing and they suspected as someone who has burgled in their neighborhood". 

It is why I asked the original question: "Do we believe he was JUST jogging"?

That has gone unanswered, all that has happened is false accusations. attacks on my character, and "appeal to emotion" retorts. 

We are just ready to go with "They killed him because he's black, without considering any other information"? Only folks that are going with that truly know why they're doing it. I'm simply looking for the truth. I'm sure it'll be easy enough to find out if burglaries have been reported in the neighborhood.  

(05-11-2020, 09:40 PM)GMDino Wrote: Because you are trying to say that "Maybe there was a different reason two white guys chased down and killed a black man...not that that matters."

Given the two options you have presented NEITHER change anything about the case.  And we should all know by now why you even presented it but I'll answer your rhetorical question anyway:

It doesn't matter if any of us "believe he was just jogging" two white guys killed a black guy because they "allegedly" thought he looked like a suspect.  And that is still wrong.  You even said it.

So why the hell do you keep arguing there might be a different reason for an innocent man getting killed?

Never mind....we all know.

(05-11-2020, 09:40 PM)GMDino Wrote: Because you are trying to say that "Maybe there was a different reason two white guys chased down and killed a black man...not that that matters."

Given the two options you have presented NEITHER change anything about the case.  And we should all know by now why you even presented it but I'll answer your rhetorical question anyway:

It doesn't matter if any of us "believe he was just jogging" two white guys killed a black guy because they "allegedly" thought he looked like a suspect.  And that is still wrong.  You even said it.

So why the hell do you keep arguing there might be a different reason for an innocent man getting killed?

Never mind....we all know.

(05-11-2020, 09:40 PM)GMDino Wrote: Because you are trying to say that "Maybe there was a different reason two white guys chased down and killed a black man...not that that matters."

Given the two options you have presented NEITHER change anything about the case.  And we should all know by now why you even presented it but I'll answer your rhetorical question anyway:

It doesn't matter if any of us "believe he was just jogging" two white guys killed a black guy because they "allegedly" thought he looked like a suspect.  And that is still wrong.  You even said it.

So why the hell do you keep arguing there might be a different reason for an innocent man getting killed?

Never mind....we all know.

(05-11-2020, 09:53 PM)bfine32 Wrote: Remove the words white and black from your initial sentence and you may see that it does make a difference.

Sure I said it was wrong; because it was. It'd be just as wrong if the shooters were black and/or the victim was white.  I'm just not ready to buy it happened because of color. 

(05-11-2020, 09:53 PM)bfine32 Wrote: Remove the words white and black from your initial sentence and you may see that it does make a difference.

Sure I said it was wrong; because it was. It'd be just as wrong if the shooters were black and/or the victim was white.  I'm just not ready to buy it happened because of color. 

(05-11-2020, 09:54 PM)bfine32 Wrote: Remove the words white and black from your initial sentence and you may see that it does make a difference.

Sure I said it was wrong; because it was. It'd be just as wrong if the shooters were black and/or the victim was white.  I'm just not ready to buy it happened because of color. 

(05-11-2020, 09:29 PM)bfine32 Wrote: WTF did I say the accused weren't lying. Yours and other's constant false accusations should not be allowed. But we both know...

Here's the deal:

Folks are trying to paint this as a "Black guy killed for just jogging" narrative. When quite possibly it could be "Men kill jogger who was trespassing and they suspected as someone who has burgled in their neighborhood". 

Quote:It is why I asked the original question: "Do we believe he was JUST jogging"?

That has gone unanswered, all that has happened is false accusations. attacks on my character, and "appeal to emotion" retorts. 

We are just ready to go with "They killed him because he's black, without considering any other information"? Only folks that are going with that truly know why they're doing it. I'm simply looking for the truth. I'm sure it'll be easy enough to find out if burglaries have been reported in the neighborhood.  

(05-11-2020, 08:15 PM)bfine32 Wrote: I sure did. The accused reported a rash of recent break ins. He could have been casing the neighborhood. I don't feel like answering the same questions over and over again. Do you think he was just out for a jog.

(05-11-2020, 08:24 PM)bfine32 Wrote: I have 0 doubt that the young man told his mom he was out jogging. 

As I've said numerous times the simplest answers are the hardest to get around here. All you have to say is "Yes, I believe he was just out jogging. 

(05-11-2020, 11:40 PM)oncemoreuntothejimbreech Wrote: That IS the narrative. We all know that is the narrative. That’s the reason the two men grabbed their guns and pursued him.


This is a false narrative only you are pushing. I literally have not seen one person here claim those two men shot Arbery just because he was black with one exception, you.

You admit these two men should go to jail for shooting a suspected robber under these circumstances. So you’re not searching for any truth. You’re just doing your normal Skip Bayless routine. Ask a loaded question. Start a semantics argument while pushing a false narrative. Play the victim card. I’ve seen to too many times. It’s old hack and stale. And I’m sick and tired of it.

(05-11-2020, 09:54 PM)bfine32 Wrote: Remove the words white and black from your initial sentence and you may see that it does make a difference.

Sure I said it was wrong; because it was. It'd be just as wrong if the shooters were black and/or the victim was white.  I'm just not ready to buy it happened because of color.