(08-11-2015, 06:01 PM)fredtoast Wrote: Okay then, when do you believe that a fertilized egg becomes a human?

(08-09-2015, 11:31 PM)jakefromstatefarm Wrote: I don't know many babies outside of the womb that could survive without someone caring for it.

If that's the pro-abortion stance now, I guess we should extend the abortion age until at least 8 or 9 years after birth.  

(08-09-2015, 11:41 PM)jakefromstatefarm Wrote: Not sure what this has to do with anything. 

I was replying to his assertion that a baby cannot live outside of the womb, not commenting on what SCOTUS declared was constitutional.

(08-09-2015, 11:54 PM)jakefromstatefarm Wrote: This.

I fail to understand how the "choice" of one can end the life of another.  People can argue all day long about whether it's a life yet or not, but I think that's hogwash.  Whether you believe it is or not before birth, chances are with our advances in medicine it would be if left the F alone. 

(08-10-2015, 01:57 AM)StLucieBengal Wrote: We all know the law allows baby murders.  As long as the mother is doing the killing .    

But the debate isn't the law.   The debate is how can we morally allow a law like this ....  How long does it take someone to be ok with mass murdeR?  

I know the choice sucks for people but at what point do we just look at ourselves and admit to how much mass murder we have allowed in our lifetime.  

A lot of you want to slam A belief in God, and that's fine, but picking and choosing who lives and who dies is playing God yourself.

(08-10-2015, 02:13 AM)Brownshoe Wrote: So would your opinion change if new advances in medical technology allows the fetus to live at 1 week after conception? Just because it can't live without help does not make it any more or less alive. Any human that is alive should have rights.

(08-10-2015, 02:15 AM)Brownshoe Wrote: Personally I think it should be made illegal after the baby has a beating heart. That's about 8 weeks. Once the fetus has a beating heart it's alive and it deserves the right to continue its life.

(08-07-2015, 04:57 PM)fredtoast Wrote: Rubio provided nothing to back up his claim.  In fact it was comical when he mentioned how soon the heart starts beating.    Apparently he thinks there is a heart at the point of conception.  

A glob of undifferentiated cells is not a human, by any definition.  It is like saying that an acorn is an oak tree.  It just is not true.  They are two very different things.  

I have also noticed that when people have actual facts to argue with they don't have to keep talking over the other person.  Rubio was acting like a child instead of an adult having a grown up debate.

(08-11-2015, 08:54 PM)oncemoreuntothejimbreech Wrote: There isn't a "pro-abortion" stance.  There is a pro-choice stance. 

(08-11-2015, 09:06 PM)oncemoreuntothejimbreech Wrote: Fred was discussing an embryo or a fetus, not a baby.

(08-11-2015, 09:40 PM)jakefromstatefarm Wrote: I stopped reading right there.  There is no difference between the two.  "Pro-choice" was chosen because it sounds less grotesque and offensive than "pro-abortion".  In other words, it was a marketing decision.  The same can be said for the term "reproductive rights". 

I personally prefer to call it baby murder, because that's what it is.  All of this talk about embryos, fetuses, contraceptives, and rape are nothing more than deflections and cop-outs used by those that support and enable the inhumanity that is called abortion. 

(08-10-2015, 03:04 AM)Brownshoe Wrote: The point when you're considered dead is when your heart stops beating and you have no brain activity. I feel because that's the case it would only be logical to say that's when life starts. At 8 weeks the fetus has both brain activity and a beating heart.

If you are religious (which I once was) it says in the old testament (Leviticus) that life is in the blood. So it would be logical to assume that once you start producing blood you are alive.

I feel that you have 8 weeks after the person is raped or was apart of incest to make sure you don't bring life into the world. Once you bring life into the world then it's your responsibility to take care of that life until it can sustain itself. The fetus is a innocent life that should not pay for the crimes of another. If the fetus is threatening the life of the mother I think then it's the mother's decision if she wants to abort it or not.

(08-11-2015, 09:40 PM)jakefromstatefarm Wrote: I stopped reading right there.

(08-11-2015, 09:43 PM)GMDino Wrote: I am anti-abortion...and pro-choice.

Because I do not have to make that choice.  I WANT the choice to not be abortion.  But it is not my choice to make.  Nor is it my sin.  Nor is it my life being affected.

As an aside are you anti-contraceptive too?  

(08-11-2015, 09:41 PM)jakefromstatefarm Wrote: I fail to see the difference between the two.  I know that when my wife was expecting with our daughter, I didn't believe there was any difference at all. 

(08-11-2015, 09:46 PM)oncemoreuntothejimbreech Wrote: It is refreshing to meet someone with an open mind who is capable of thinking objectively and critically.

(08-11-2015, 09:48 PM)jakefromstatefarm Wrote: That makes zero sense.  You're anti-abortion and pro-choice?  So you're against abortion so much that every election you go and vote for the people in the party that support and condone the murder of babies? 

Such a tough stance you've taken there.  I'm sure those million murdered babies every year are thankful that you're anti-abortion.  

(08-11-2015, 09:48 PM)jakefromstatefarm Wrote: That makes zero sense.  You're anti-abortion and pro-choice?  So you're against abortion so much that every election you go and vote for the people in the party that support and condone the murder of babies? 

Such a tough stance you've taken there.  I'm sure those million murdered babies every year are thankful that you're anti-abortion.  

(08-11-2015, 09:49 PM)oncemoreuntothejimbreech Wrote: That's fine.  Believe what you want.  But, in this thread there isn't one universal definition when life begins.  So what gives you the right to impose your beliefs upon another with different beliefs?

(08-11-2015, 09:50 PM)jakefromstatefarm Wrote: I have a very open-mind.  Believe it or not, this isn't the first time I've ever discussed abortion in my life. 

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adjective
1.
having or showing a mind receptive to new ideas or arguments.
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unprejudiced; unbigoted; impartial.