(09-24-2020, 11:36 AM)hollodero Wrote: Defending a clumsy comment is not akin to explaining away repeated blatant authoritarian sayings.

(09-24-2020, 11:36 AM)hollodero Wrote: Defending a clumsy comment is not akin to explaining away repeated blatant authoritarian sayings.

(09-24-2020, 11:42 AM)PhilHos Wrote: Or maybe it's that ALL candidates' supporters explain away "clumsy" comments or "blatant authoritarian sayings"?

No, of course not. Only Trump.

(09-24-2020, 11:42 AM)PhilHos Wrote: Or maybe it's that ALL candidates' supporters explain away "clumsy" comments or "blatant authoritarian sayings"?

No, of course not. Only Trump.

(09-24-2020, 12:00 PM)GMDino Wrote: If we're going to use that defense then can you provide "blatant authoritarian sayings" from Biden?  

Then we can "explain" them?

(09-24-2020, 10:15 AM)GMDino Wrote: Because it is never what his said it was what he "meant" and what he "meant" was anything that isn't as bad as what he actually said.

(09-24-2020, 12:00 PM)GMDino Wrote: If we're going to use that defense then can you provide "blatant authoritarian sayings" from Biden?  

Then we can "explain" them?

(09-24-2020, 08:31 AM)hollodero Wrote: Will you commit to making sure that there is a peaceful transferal of power after the election?

President Donald Trump: Well, we’re going to have to see what happens. You know that I’ve been complaining very strongly about the ballots. And the ballots are a disaster. [...] We want to have… Get rid of the ballots and we’ll have a very peaceful… There won’t be a transfer frankly, there’ll be a continuation. The ballots are out of control. You know it, and you know who knows it better than anybody else? The Democrats know it better than anybody else.


--- Jeez that is some scary stuff.

(09-24-2020, 12:15 PM)Luvnit2 Wrote: The same people whining about Trump's statements ignore Democrats never accepted the results of the election starting with the tent lady Hillary Clinton. Look back at one of the debates, the question was asked, will you accept the results of the election?
Trump said same thing he said at his press conference, it depends if it is was a fair election. HRC vilified him, then lost and immediately divided the company by leading the anti Trump presidency.

So, please GTHO with your holier than now stances. Same group who could care less about almost 2400 abortions per day just in the US (leader of supposed morale integrity in the world), of those 80% are minorities. Why do liberals have no concern for murder of black babies, but care when less than 25 black men are killed in police shootings each year? And most of those shootings, just like Breanna Taylor prove to be legal and justified. Her death was tragic, but justice will prevail in the end. Blowing up cities, rioting, looting businesses and shooting and killing police officers when you don't understand the law and respect the law will not heal or fix anything. Democrats fuel the hatred and racial divide, did under Obama for 8 years and continue to do it with the MSM as their partner.

If Trump is a racist, please explain how Obama did nothing for the black and hispanic economy, yet Trump prior to pandemic had record employment, wages increasing and got the blacks out of jail Biden and Bill Clinton put in jail. He is the worst racist to ever live based on facts. A racist does not help minorities period.

(09-24-2020, 12:13 PM)PhilHos Wrote: My bad. When you said this:

I didn't realize it only applied to Trump making "authoritarian sayings".

(09-24-2020, 11:42 AM)PhilHos Wrote: Or maybe it's that ALL candidates' supporters explain away "clumsy" comments or "blatant authoritarian sayings"?

No, of course not. Only Trump.

(09-24-2020, 12:15 PM)Luvnit2 Wrote: The same people whining about Trump's statements ignore Democrats never accepted the results of the election starting with the tent lady Hillary Clinton. Look back at one of the debates, the question was asked, will you accept the results of the election?
Trump said same thing he said at his press conference, it depends if it is was a fair election. HRC vilified him, then lost and immediately divided the company by leading the anti Trump presidency.

So, please GTHO with your holier than now stances. Same group who could care less about almost 2400 abortions per day just in the US (leader of supposed morale integrity in the world), of those 80% are minorities. Why do liberals have no concern for murder of black babies, but care when less than 25 black men are killed in police shootings each year? And most of those shootings, just like Breanna Taylor prove to be legal and justified. Her death was tragic, but justice will prevail in the end. Blowing up cities, rioting, looting businesses and shooting and killing police officers when you don't understand the law and respect the law will not heal or fix anything. Democrats fuel the hatred and racial divide, did under Obama for 8 years and continue to do it with the MSM as their partner.

If Trump is a racist, please explain how Obama did nothing for the black and hispanic economy, yet Trump prior to pandemic had record employment, wages increasing and got the blacks out of jail Biden and Bill Clinton put in jail. He is the worst racist to ever live based on facts. A racist does not help minorities period.

(09-24-2020, 12:15 PM)Luvnit2 Wrote: The same people whining about Trump's statements ignore Democrats never accepted the results of the election starting with the tent lady Hillary Clinton. Look back at one of the debates, the question was asked, will you accept the results of the election?
Trump said same thing he said at his press conference, it depends if it is was a fair election. HRC vilified him, then lost and immediately divided the company by leading the anti Trump presidency.

So, please GTHO with your holier than now stances. Same group who could care less about almost 2400 abortions per day just in the US (leader of supposed morale integrity in the world), of those 80% are minorities. Why do liberals have no concern for murder of black babies, but care when less than 25 black men are killed in police shootings each year? And most of those shootings, just like Breanna Taylor prove to be legal and justified. Her death was tragic, but justice will prevail in the end. Blowing up cities, rioting, looting businesses and shooting and killing police officers when you don't understand the law and respect the law will not heal or fix anything. Democrats fuel the hatred and racial divide, did under Obama for 8 years and continue to do it with the MSM as their partner.

If Trump is a racist, please explain how Obama did nothing for the black and hispanic economy, yet Trump prior to pandemic had record employment, wages increasing and got the blacks out of jail Biden and Bill Clinton put in jail. He is the worst racist to ever live based on facts. A racist does not help minorities period.

(09-24-2020, 12:24 PM)GMDino Wrote: You said:





So I took that as ALL candidates' supporters explain away "clumsy" comments or "blatant authoritarian sayings" which means you believe Biden supporters have done the same for him.  I asked for examples of it as the discussion was heading into if there is a difference between the two kinds of statements.

(09-24-2020, 12:15 PM)Luvnit2 Wrote: The same people whining about Trump's statements ignore Democrats never accepted the results of the election starting with the tent lady Hillary Clinton. Look back at one of the debates, the question was asked, will you accept the results of the election?
Trump said same thing he said at his press conference, it depends if it is was a fair election. HRC vilified him, then lost and immediately divided the company by leading the anti Trump presidency.

(09-24-2020, 12:21 PM)Nately120 Wrote: So Trump can demean and dismantle democracy to his heart's content because abortion and Obama?  I guess that does answer things.  It is preferable that we become a one-party if not a one-leader system because in your mind one side of our political coin is so abjectly evil that we'd be better off with only 1 choice?

(09-24-2020, 12:26 PM)GMDino Wrote: Obama left office and there was a peaceful transfer of power.

He was POTUS not Clinton.  Clinton can complain all she wants but the votes were counted and she conceded.

Trump has said "we'll see" (again) because he believes the only way he can lose is for the other side to "cheat" by counting all the ballots.

But thanks for bringing in abortion and Taylor's tragic death because....uh, reasons?

(09-24-2020, 12:25 PM)PhilHos Wrote: Maybe it's because I don't hate all things Trump but am I the only one that thinks when he says "There won’t be a transfer frankly, there’ll be a continuation" he means he doesn't expect to lose?

Also, and I don't mean to change the subject, continue to bash Trump on his ballot thing, but did the reporter actually ask him "Win, lose or draw will you commit to a peaceful transfer of power"? Ummmm, if he wins, why does he need to "transfer power"?

(09-24-2020, 11:42 AM)PhilHos Wrote: Or maybe it's that ALL candidates' supporters explain away "clumsy" comments or "blatant authoritarian sayings"?

No, of course not. Only Trump.

(09-24-2020, 11:50 AM)bfine32 Wrote: Trump's comments were uncalled for and dangerous. Luckily Mitch and many of the GOP Senators have pointed them out as such.

Of course none of this excuses Biden's "clumsy comments" about an entire race. 

(09-24-2020, 12:32 PM)Nately120 Wrote: Trump knows he can lose the election, that's why he spent so much time in 2016 and now in 2020 telling people that it is rigged and it is fixed and people are cheating.  If I know I'm going to win something I'm not going to complain about it being unfair or rigged the whole time.

It's more important that Trump convince his followers that there is no legal and legit way he can lose this election.  Then again, those people are already voting for him so I'm not sure why he spends so much time hammering home his extreme views.  There are people who "know" that the 2020 election has two outcomes:

1.  Trump wins
2.  Trump wins but democrats cheated enough for Biden to get more votes

The notion that Trump can't legitimately lose exists in the minds of his supporters, not Trump.

(09-24-2020, 12:30 PM)PhilHos Wrote: What has he DONE to dismantle democracy? Yes, he's said some "bad" things (bad in quotes because I'm putting it VERY mildly) and while that's bad enough, what has he ACTUALLY done to dismantle democracy? 

(09-24-2020, 12:33 PM)GMDino Wrote: That's exactly what he meant.  The issue is with him saying "if we get rid of the ballots" because he believes in a vast conspiracy that hasn't been even close to proven.  Trump's administration has had court cases thrown out about the fraud due to lack of evidence.

https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/wireStory/judge-dismisses-trump-challenge-nevada-mail-voting-law-73150442

And his similar lawsuit in PA isn't going well for him either.

https://www.pbs.org/newshour/politics/trumps-war-on-mail-in-voting-suffers-setback-in-pennsylvania

So simply saying I don't have to answer that because I think I will win would be "acceptable" (I guess) but saying "we'll see" isn't.  At least in my book.  Whether it is Trump or not.