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RE: LE Leaks show treatment of pro BLM protestors vs conservative militias - Sociopathicsteelerfan - 09-02-2020 (09-02-2020, 09:35 PM)fredtoast Wrote: It is a fact. The entire "broken window" model of lawenforcement is based on it. Pulling over people with get out of jail free cards? Quote:I don't nmind telling you. Michael Reece, son of a prominate local family that owns Reece's Funeral Home and other businesses, got in an argument with his girlfriend. When he left she called the police and reported that he was driving under the influence an in possession of illegal drugs. Local city cop stopped him and did not even ask to search the vehicle. Just let him go. He then got into an accident on HYW 25-E. A State Trooper worked the accident, charged him with DUI, and found his stash of narcotics. But you didn't say that the cop in the story was a friend or family member Quote:Next time you claim to know something based on your "friends in law enforcement" I'll remind you that your source is full of shit. . . Fred, I'm not going to put up with these types of personal attacks. I've been very upfront about that. Quote:. . . and that "you stated it as a fact" Well, so far you've proven nothing except providing an anecdotal story that doesn't even fit your assertion of cops letting friends and family members go. But you do seem very upset about something. RE: LE Leaks show treatment of pro BLM protestors vs conservative militias - fredtoast - 09-02-2020 (09-02-2020, 09:43 PM)Sociopathicsteelerfan Wrote: Fred, I'm not going to put up with these types of personal attacks. I've been very upfront about that. I did nto mean to attack you. Just the source you rely on. RE: LE Leaks show treatment of pro BLM protestors vs conservative militias - fredtoast - 09-02-2020 (09-02-2020, 09:43 PM)Sociopathicsteelerfan Wrote: Well, so far you've proven nothing except providing an anecdotal story that doesn't even fit your assertion of cops letting friends and family members go. It is all public record in Claiborne County. So I have posted more than you did when you said I knew that police never let anyone go when they had probable cause for a search. (09-02-2020, 09:43 PM)Sociopathicsteelerfan Wrote: But you do seem very upset about something. I am not the one complaining about "personal attacks" when I never said anything bad about you at all. RE: LE Leaks show treatment of pro BLM protestors vs conservative militias - fredtoast - 09-02-2020 (09-02-2020, 09:43 PM)Sociopathicsteelerfan Wrote: Pulling over people with get out of jail free cards? No. The "broken window" model of law enforcement is based on using even the smallest infractions to investigate for evidence of other criminal behavior. Like pulling someone over for a seatbelt violation then asking permission to search the car. I am surprised someone who claims to knw so much about law enforcement did not know this. RE: LE Leaks show treatment of pro BLM protestors vs conservative militias - Sociopathicsteelerfan - 09-02-2020 (09-02-2020, 09:50 PM)fredtoast Wrote: It is all public record in Claiborne County. So I have posted more than you did when you said I knew that police never let anyone go when they had probable cause for a search. Except I never said that. If you disagree simply produce the post. Quote:I am not the one complaining about "personal attacks" when I never said anything bad about you at all. No, you're the one making them, hence my thinking you might be upset. RE: LE Leaks show treatment of pro BLM protestors vs conservative militias - Sociopathicsteelerfan - 09-02-2020 (09-02-2020, 09:53 PM)fredtoast Wrote: No. The "broken window" model of law enforcement is based on using even the smallest infractions to investigate for evidence of other criminal behavior. Like pulling someone over for a seatbelt violation then asking permission to search the car. Well, I do know that a person has to exit the vehicle when instructed by law enforcement, so there's that. Your description of the broken windows model is, unfortunately, inaccurate as it omits a key detail. It involves pulling people over of whom you have other suspicions and then using the initial stop as pretext to attempt a vehicle or personal search. I guess I did know after all. RE: LE Leaks show treatment of pro BLM protestors vs conservative militias - bfine32 - 09-02-2020 (09-02-2020, 09:53 PM)fredtoast Wrote: No. The "broken window" model of law enforcement is based on using even the smallest infractions to investigate for evidence of other criminal behavior. Like pulling someone over for a seatbelt violation then asking permission to search the car. Are you sure that's what it means? RE: LE Leaks show treatment of pro BLM protestors vs conservative militias - GMDino - 09-03-2020 Color me stunned. https://www.cnn.com/2020/09/02/us/kenosha-curfew-lawsuit-protests-jacob-blake/index.html?utm_source=twCNN&utm_term=link&utm_content=2020-09-03T00%3A01%3A06&utm_medium=social Quote:Kenosha protesters arrested for breaking curfew while police supporters were allowed to 'roam,' lawsuit says The police welcomed the people who they thought were on their side and just added fuel to the fire. My question above remains unanswered: Why would an office WANT more armed people roaming the streets when people like the 17 year old wandered in? I think we know why. RE: LE Leaks show treatment of pro BLM protestors vs conservative militias - Sociopathicsteelerfan - 09-03-2020 (09-03-2020, 10:19 AM)GMDino Wrote: The police welcomed the people who they thought were on their side and just added fuel to the fire. Then please, enlighten us. RE: LE Leaks show treatment of pro BLM protestors vs conservative militias - fredtoast - 09-03-2020 (09-02-2020, 10:06 PM)Sociopathicsteelerfan Wrote: Well, I do know that a person has to exit the vehicle when instructed by law enforcement, so there's that. Your description of the broken windows model is, unfortunately, inaccurate as it omits a key detail. It involves pulling people over of whom you have other suspicions and then using the initial stop as pretext to attempt a vehicle or personal search. The broken window model has nothing to do with "other suspicions". It is just fishing for whatever they can find. RE: LE Leaks show treatment of pro BLM protestors vs conservative militias - fredtoast - 09-03-2020 (09-02-2020, 10:07 PM)bfine32 Wrote: Are you sure that's what it means? Yes. RE: LE Leaks show treatment of pro BLM protestors vs conservative militias - Sociopathicsteelerfan - 09-03-2020 (09-03-2020, 02:05 PM)fredtoast Wrote: The broken window model has nothing to do with "other suspicions". It is just fishing for whatever they can find. You'll do please forgive if I treat your opinion in this regard as slightly biased. Regardless, my description is accurate. RE: LE Leaks show treatment of pro BLM protestors vs conservative militias - Sociopathicsteelerfan - 09-06-2020 So a lot of people have been whining about Rittenhouse not being killed by police (probably because he peacefully turned himself in) and claiming the police assassinated Reinhol. In fact, even one of our esteemed colleagues here heavily alluded to it. Well, here's a major difference between the hard evidence that shows Rittenhouse was just defending himself, versus the evidence that Reinhol targeted his victim and lay in wait for him (which btw, is an automatic murder one charge). https://www.oregonlive.com/crime/2020/09/arrest-warrant-against-michael-reinoehl-for-2nd-degree-murder-unlawful-use-of-a-firearm-unsealed.html So the antifa guy flat out lied about the circumstances of the shooting, color me shocked. Anyone want to try their hand at explaining this one away? RE: LE Leaks show treatment of pro BLM protestors vs conservative militias - Sociopathicsteelerfan - 09-06-2020 A really interesting text from the antifa murderer (yes, after seeing this new evidence I feel very comfortable calling him a murderer). As part of the investigation, police learned that Reinoehl had sent a text message to his teenage son on Aug. 7 that read, “Sell me the gun for a quarter pound of weed and $100 I’m getting tired of this shit I need a piece now,” according to the affidavit. A really upstanding guy. I wonder if we'll get posts from people talking about what a misguided, sad, person he was because he was a police explorer. Oh wait, that was Rittenhouse who got lambasted by several posters here. I don't recall seeing any negative posts about Reinoehl. RE: LE Leaks show treatment of pro BLM protestors vs conservative militias - fredtoast - 09-06-2020 (09-03-2020, 02:37 PM)Sociopathicsteelerfan Wrote: You'll do please forgive if I treat your opinion in this regard as slightly biased. Regardless, my description is accurate. No, your description is not accurate. Some people say the broken window policy is just about ensuring order on a lower level to show that other crimes will not eb tolerated. Some people claim it is to discover other larger crimes. I have not seen anyone say that under the broken window policy the police only target people under suspicion of other specific criminal activity. And I don't know anyone who has a more biased view regarding law enforcement than you. RE: LE Leaks show treatment of pro BLM protestors vs conservative militias - Sociopathicsteelerfan - 09-06-2020 (09-06-2020, 01:05 PM)fredtoast Wrote: And I don't know anyone who has a more biased view regarding law enforcement than you. Yeah you do, and you see him every time you look in the mirror. RE: LE Leaks show treatment of pro BLM protestors vs conservative militias - GMDino - 10-07-2020 (I did a quick search and I think this is where we were discussing how Trump doesn't help any of the protest/riots with what he says and tweets. So I'll leave this one here.) Here's another example of Trump "helping" by which I mean he lied to try and create fear and hatred.
RE: LE Leaks show treatment of pro BLM protestors vs conservative militias - GMDino - 10-08-2020 https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2020/10/08/militia-members-charged-plot-against-michigan-gov-gretchen-whitmer/5923650002/ Quote:Feds charge six militia members in plot to kidnap Michigan Gov. Gretchen Whitmer, court records show RE: LE Leaks show treatment of pro BLM protestors vs conservative militias - BmorePat87 - 10-12-2020 A private security guard shot a man in the head at a protest this weekend, killing him. Like the Rittenhouse situation, this was a completely unnecessary escalation. The victim was part of a conservative coalition assembled. At some point him and the security guard, who was hired by a media outlet, get into it with the victim slapping the guard and spraying mace at him. The guard retaliates by executing the man. Hopefully he, like I hope with Rittenhouse, is brought to justice. RE: LE Leaks show treatment of pro BLM protestors vs conservative militias - Belsnickel - 11-10-2020 An interesting update to the Rittenhouse story: https://waow.com/2020/11/09/gun-used-by-rittenhouse-in-kenosha-killings-was-bought-in-ladysmith-complaint-states/ Quote:KENOSHA COUNTY (WQOW) - The man who purchased the gun Kyle Rittenhouse allegedly used in shootings that killed two in Kenosha earlier this year is now facing charges and court documents show the gun was bought in Ladysmith. |