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RE: Why it looks to me like Mike Williams may just be the Bengals choice. - depthchart - 04-19-2017 (04-19-2017, 03:50 PM)eoxyod Wrote: This isn't a comparison of the size, but explosiveness related to size which is more important You can put your Chips on Laquan Treadwell and I'll put mine on Mike Williams. Like the House, you win if it's a tie in this hypothetical. They will have much different careers when it is all said and done. IMO RE: Why it looks to me like Mike Williams may just be the Bengals choice. - eoxyod - 04-19-2017 (04-19-2017, 04:13 PM)depthchart Wrote: You can put your Chips on Laquan Treadwell and I'll put mine on Mike Williams. I agree they will have different careers. I'm not saying they are the same exact player. But I am saying that all signs that have been pointed too from a data standpoint are not great for Williams. That said I don't think he'll be a bad player, but closer to guy who gets targets on WR hungry team RE: Why it looks to me like Mike Williams may just be the Bengals choice. - depthchart - 04-19-2017 (04-19-2017, 04:15 PM)eoxyod Wrote: I agree they will have different careers. I'm not saying they are the same exact player. But I am saying that all signs that have been pointed too from a data standpoint are not great for Williams. That said I don't think he'll be a bad player, but closer to guy who gets targets on WR hungry team Your concern has some validity and is worth discussing. Treadwell at 6 foot 2 is being covered by corners that are very close to his height at say 6 foot and these corners are much faster than Treadwell who ran a 4.63 and many of these corners can out jump him enough to make up for his height edge. Mike Williams is 6 foot 3 and 5/8 and ran let us say a 4.55. Faster than Treadwell. Williams has a larger overall Body Frame, a 3 to 4 inch height advantage on these same corners and just enough speed to cause a corner some problems if that corner makes the slightest mistake. The corners are staying in Treadwell's back pocket with him at 6 foot 2 & 4.63. Less margin for error with Williams for these corners and his greater height advantage & Big Frame make it tougher for them to out position for the ball. IMO RE: Why it looks to me like Mike Williams may just be the Bengals choice. - Go Cards - 04-19-2017 (04-18-2017, 03:42 PM)depthchart Wrote: The Bengals likely see Key injuries on Offense as the reason the team struggled in 2016.If it came down to Foster, Barnett, or Williams I would want in order Foster, Barnett, then maybe Williams RE: Why it looks to me like Mike Williams may just be the Bengals choice. - CJD - 04-19-2017 I'm at the point of the year where I'm tired of the speculation and just want the draft to come and end the debate. Why can't the draft start tomorrow? haha. RE: Why it looks to me like Mike Williams may just be the Bengals choice. - Nate (formerly eliminate08) - 04-19-2017 (04-19-2017, 10:42 PM)Crazyjdawg Wrote: I'm at the point of the year where I'm tired of the speculation and just want the draft to come and end the debate. You and Ocho and me are feeling about the same. I like the back and forth though. Nice arguments on both sides. I have no real crazy want at 9. Lots of picks will make me happy. After the first round is where this draft will make the Bengal's hay or straw. RE: Why it looks to me like Mike Williams may just be the Bengals choice. - Jpoore - 04-20-2017 (04-19-2017, 11:47 AM)ochocincos Wrote: The 4.50 was what one scout/team got via hand timing. There were plenty of reports of teams getting (much) slower than that at Williams' pro day.Not to butt in but both of those are horrible comps. i have been saying his player comp has been keenan allen. Allen is a top 10 wr when healthy, ran a 4.71-4.75, and is body catcher more often than not. But lately and i cant believe this wasnt my comp from the beggining is alshon jeffery. Jeffery ran a 4.48-4.53. Mike williams ran a 4.49-4.53. Mccshay clocked him at 4.53. Here is jefferys bottom line. Jeffery is indeed an elite jump-ball prospect, but his value will be heavily determined by a simple 40 time, as he does not stand out as fast on tape and is such a long strider that he at times looks to be moving in slow motion. Speed will never be his game, but he needs to become more comfortable in his routes to work the corner and truly gain separation. The development of his route running skills will be the key to his success. Jeffery was bit uncoordinated early on in his career and seemingly only began to look comfortable in his body towards the end of his collegiate career. That describes williams in a nut shell. So question is, would you take alshon jeffery? RE: Why it looks to me like Mike Williams may just be the Bengals choice. - ochocincos - 04-20-2017 (04-20-2017, 01:27 AM)Jpoore Wrote: Not to butt in but both of those are horrible comps. i have been saying his player comp has been keenan allen. Allen is a top 10 wr when healthy, ran a 4.71-4.75, and is body catcher more often than not. But lately and i cant believe this wasnt my comp from the beggining is alshon jeffery. Jeffery ran a 4.48-4.53. Mike williams ran a 4.49-4.53. Mccshay clocked him at 4.53. Here is jefferys bottom line. Maybe you're right in that Williams does compare better to Allen and/or Jeffery, but why is the Mike Evans comparison horrible? RE: Why it looks to me like Mike Williams may just be the Bengals choice. - Au165 - 04-20-2017 (04-20-2017, 09:06 AM)ochocincos Wrote: Maybe you're right in that Williams does compare better to Allen and/or Jeffery, but why is the Mike Evans comparison horrible? Honestly Mike Williams is better coming out in the short routes and using his body to shield the ball than Evans was. Evan on the other hand is one of the best "back to the rim" throw it straight up and I'll go up and get it guys in the league, I am not sure that specifically is what Williams does. Williams is a good contested ball catchers, but turning around and waiting for the ball and high pointing it isn't really something he did much in college. I use Dez Bryant as the comparison because of the route combinations he still runs in the NFL. Bryant is basically a 3 route WR and it is what I think Williams will be for the most part, which isn't bad thing because Beckham is the same way just different routes. RE: Why it looks to me like Mike Williams may just be the Bengals choice. - ochocincos - 04-20-2017 (04-20-2017, 09:18 AM)Au165 Wrote: Honestly Mike Williams is better coming out in the short routes and using his body to shield the ball than Evans was. Evan on the other hand is one of the best "back to the rim" throw it straight up and I'll go up and get it guys in the league, I am not sure that specifically is what Williams does. Williams is a good contested ball catchers, but turning around and waiting for the ball and high pointing it isn't really something he did much in college. True, Williams is more of an over-the-shoulder catcher whereas Evans is more of a comeback high-pointer, but I guess where I was coming from was that both had high pointing the ball, being big and physical, and having strong hands to pluck the ball away from their body listed as strengths and having just NFL average speed (mid 4.5s) as a weakness. I would say a "horrible" comparison would be like comparing Williams to someone who wins with speed and/or crisp route running. Just because someone isn't exactly like another player doesn't make it a horrible comparison. "Horrible" and "not-the-best" are two different things, which is more what I was getting at. RE: Why it looks to me like Mike Williams may just be the Bengals choice. - ochocincos - 04-20-2017 (04-20-2017, 01:27 AM)Jpoore Wrote: Not to butt in but both of those are horrible comps. i have been saying his player comp has been keenan allen. Allen is a top 10 wr when healthy, ran a 4.71-4.75, and is body catcher more often than not. But lately and i cant believe this wasnt my comp from the beggining is alshon jeffery. Jeffery ran a 4.48-4.53. Mike williams ran a 4.49-4.53. Mccshay clocked him at 4.53. Here is jefferys bottom line. I'll definitely give you the Alshon Jeffery comparison over Mike Evans. That is more accurate. And the answer is yes, I would take Alshon Jeffery, but I still want the Bengals to have more speed. As mentioned in another thread, I would be fine with the Mike Williams selection at 9, but I just prefer a few other players instead of him. RE: Why it looks to me like Mike Williams may just be the Bengals choice. - Au165 - 04-20-2017 (04-20-2017, 09:49 AM)ochocincos Wrote: True, Williams is more of an over-the-shoulder catcher whereas Evans is more of a comeback high-pointer, but I guess where I was coming from was that both had high pointing the ball, being big and physical, and having strong hands to pluck the ball away from their body listed as strengths and having just NFL average speed (mid 4.5s) as a weakness. I agree, Evans isn't a "horrible" comparison, just not a clean one. A horrible one would be Andrew Hawkins haha. |