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RE: Comey's opening statement is out. - BmorePat87 - 06-08-2017 (06-08-2017, 08:48 AM)michaelsean Wrote: The cloud is that people think he's under investigation. He wants Comey to tell everyone he's not a target. Gotta read the whole thing. I did. My only comment is that I actually believe the golden shower story now that I've heard Comey say that Trump mentioned Russian hookers 2 months after this unsubstantiated report said he got peed on by Russian hookers.. RE: Comey's opening statement is out. - GMDino - 06-08-2017 Nothing has surprised me so far. Trump thinks he's running his company. Private dinner to keep away witnesses and exert his power over someone (as boss), demand loyalty, etc. He (Trump) is just unprepared to adapt to the job and how it works versus how private companies work. I don't think that's enough to bite him in the arse because 34% of the country think he's doing a good job doing that and the rest already knew he wouldn't bother to change. RE: Comey's opening statement is out. - michaelsean - 06-08-2017 Just reading a couple snippets, Comey saying he took the Flynn statement to be an order. Hard to see taking it that way, but he's saying that in his testimony. RE: Comey's opening statement is out. - GMDino - 06-08-2017 (06-08-2017, 01:28 PM)michaelsean Wrote: Just reading a couple snippets, Comey saying he took the Flynn statement to be an order. Hard to see taking it that way, but he's saying that in his testimony. My take was that comes down to inflection and the situation of being alone with the "boss." He's not a novice at reading people I'd assume. And he's been careful to not try and interpret things (like tweets) versus times he actually spoke with the President. RE: Comey's opening statement is out. - michaelsean - 06-08-2017 (06-08-2017, 01:30 PM)GMDino Wrote: My take was that comes down to inflection and the situation of being alone with the "boss." Can't say if he did stop the investigation in an open session. That would go a long way to seeing if he took it as an order. Of course I still contend the President has every right in his role to halt an FBI investigation. Speaking legally not ethically. Quote:The President went on to say that if there were some “satellite” associates of his who did something wrong, it would be good to find that out, but that he hadn’t done anything wrong and hoped I would find a way to get it out that we weren’t investigating him. That sort of goes against him thinking Trump was ordering him. RE: Comey's opening statement is out. - michaelsean - 06-08-2017 Alan Dershowitz: Quote:Former FBI Director James Comey's written statement, which was released in advance of his Thursday testimony before the Senate Intelligence Committee, does not provide evidence that President Trump committed obstruction of justice or any other crime. Indeed it strongly suggests that even under the broadest reasonable definition of obstruction, no such crime was committed. http://www.foxnews.com/opinion/2017/06/07/dershowitz-comeys-statement-fails-to-deliver-smoking-gun-democrats-craved.html RE: Comey's opening statement is out. - GMDino - 06-08-2017 (06-08-2017, 01:34 PM)michaelsean Wrote: Can't say if he did stop the investigation in an open session. That would go a long way to seeing if he took it as an order. RE: Comey's opening statement is out. - michaelsean - 06-08-2017 (06-08-2017, 01:53 PM)GMDino Wrote: And? RE: Comey's opening statement is out. - GMDino - 06-08-2017 (06-08-2017, 03:02 PM)michaelsean Wrote: And? I guess we'll see.... RE: Comey's opening statement is out. - Bengalzona - 06-08-2017 My thoughts: 1) I like Comey as a person and professional. How he has carried himself since the Hillary email thing has been mostly exemplary, in my opinion, and makes me think that he handled that situation well as well (he wasn't on my radar, so to speak, before that). 2) I don't see that Donald Trump has done anything illegal or impeachment worthy regarding this. Naive and stupid, yes. Illegal, no. It does appear that he made exaggerations abut the conversation he and Comey had. But Trump wasn't under oath, so that is not necessarily illegal. 3) This whole hearing has been over-hyped. I attribute it to the love-hate relationship between Trump and the media. That said, the hearing was interesting. I suppose that is one way to get people interested in government affairs again (maybe not the best). RE: Comey's opening statement is out. - Bengalzona - 06-08-2017 http://www.theonion.com/article/trump-asks-entire-senate-clear-out-chamber-so-he-c-56198?utm_content=Main&utm_campaign=SF&utm_source=Facebook&utm_medium=SocialMarketing RE: Comey's opening statement is out. - michaelsean - 06-08-2017 (06-08-2017, 03:41 PM)GMDino Wrote: Never stop reaching for your dreams. Dershowitz completely disagrees with you, and while he is not the end all of law, he's pretty good at it. RE: Comey's opening statement is out. - GMDino - 06-08-2017 (06-08-2017, 04:11 PM)Bengalzona Wrote: My thoughts: The best thing to come out of all this will be the end. One way or the other. Would I like to see Trump under oath? Pffft. That would be high comedy! But since that will never happen we'll just have the GOP say there's nothing to see here no matter what happens or is said so let's just get the thing over with. What sticks out, to me, is that the head of the FBI said he figured Trump might lie about their meeting so he started making notes. Even though he never thought that about a previous POTUS. How sad that the man elected to the office had such a personality flaw that that that thought even crossed the FBI Director's mind? And that no one in the this hearing even questioned it? (06-08-2017, 04:32 PM)michaelsean Wrote: Never stop reaching for your dreams. Dershowitz completely disagrees with you, and while he is not the end all of law, he's pretty good at it. Oh no doubt he's good. ![]() Not my dream however. Pence is more of nightmare because he can speak and form a thought...words and thoughts that echo his belief that we should have biblical laws. I'm merely pointing out that just because it is "legal" that doesn't mean we just smile and it goes away. History has proven otherwise. RE: Comey's opening statement is out. - JustWinBaby - 06-08-2017 (06-08-2017, 04:37 PM)GMDino Wrote: ...the GOP say there's nothing to see here no matter what happens or is said so let's just get the thing over with. Maybe wait until, oh I don't know, there's something to see here before criticizing people for not seeing it? RE: Comey's opening statement is out. - GMDino - 06-08-2017 (06-08-2017, 04:49 PM)JustWinBaby Wrote: Maybe wait until, oh I don't know, there's something to see here before criticizing people for not seeing it? I just don't believe that it would matter. Short of an actual smoking gun they won't do anything. And that's fine. I think they would have ended this already if there wasn't so many bad optics coming from the POTUS and his people. RE: Comey's opening statement is out. - JustWinBaby - 06-08-2017 (06-08-2017, 09:53 AM)GMDino Wrote: The POTUS doesn't really care if associates were doing anything wrong or illegal... That would be an opinion, and I don't think a very good one (and arguably demonstrably false since he DOES seem to care about Flynn). I think Trump, probably heeding advice of lawyers, is simply distancing himself from statements about associates that he can never make with 100% certainty. The only things you can really say about an associate DURING an investigation is "they've assured me there is no wrongdoing". Along the same lines, it's understandable why Comey refused to say Trump wasn't a target, because he knew that new information could change that. RE: Comey's opening statement is out. - JustWinBaby - 06-08-2017 (06-08-2017, 04:53 PM)GMDino Wrote: I just don't believe that it would matter. Short of an actual smoking gun they won't do anything. So, short of evidence you don't think they will do anything? I would agree. We had more evidence in all the Obama scandals yet never had a special prosecutor for a single one. And even nearing a year, it's still early in this investigation. It's a much bigger and more complicated one, because you're dealing with a foreign power and associates of a campaign not subject to FOIA or various other record keeping regulations for administrations and govt employees. My worry is that neither side might never get a satisfactory conclusion, given the necessity and involvement of intelligence services that will result in large sets of facts/findings remaining classified. RE: Comey's opening statement is out. - GMDino - 06-08-2017 (06-08-2017, 04:58 PM)JustWinBaby Wrote: That would be an opinion, and I don't think a very good one (and arguably demonstrably false since he DOES seem to care about Flynn). I think Trump, probably heeding advice of lawyers, is simply distancing himself from statements about associates that he can never make with 100% certainty. It is an opinion based on how Trump has acted for his entire public life AND the fact that even while firing the FBI Director he emphasizes that HE is not under investigation. It's all that matters in the end...selling the Brand. It's all he's ever done. All he knows. With Flynn Trump knew that he had ignored information and hired him anyway...that reflects poorly on.....Trump. He wanted the Flynn thing to "go away" because it *might* make himself look bad. RE: Comey's opening statement is out. - michaelsean - 06-08-2017 On a brighter note my mom saw Air Force One fly over her house. That's pretty cool. Took off out of Lunken, and I have no idea how they did that with a 747. RE: Comey's opening statement is out. - GMDino - 06-08-2017 (06-08-2017, 05:03 PM)JustWinBaby Wrote: So, short of evidence you don't think they will do anything? I would agree. Short of absolute, damning evidence. (06-08-2017, 05:03 PM)JustWinBaby Wrote: We had more evidence in all the Obama scandals yet never had a special prosecutor for a single one. (06-08-2017, 05:03 PM)JustWinBaby Wrote: And even nearing a year, it's still early in this investigation. It's a much bigger and more complicated one, because you're dealing with a foreign power and associates of a campaign not subject to FOIA or various other record keeping regulations for administrations and govt employees. Oh, no doubt. If Trump was impeached the right would claim it was the Democrats fault even while they control Congress. If nothing is done to Trump the left will claim the GOP is covering for him. Like I said, get it over with. |