(04-03-2018, 11:34 PM)StLucieBengal Wrote: Actually her father and mother should be ensuring she has a good husband.  

It’s a cycle that can’t be broken.  And why we are in the place we are today.

(04-03-2018, 10:49 PM)Nately120 Wrote: I'd argue that in both cases the woman is a victim of her own actions of being with a man who would hit her and the kids/ditch her and the kids.  That's what is interesting about it.  If I say the woman on welfare should have picked a better man to be her husband and father her kids I could get some support on that one.  If I see a woman getting hit by her husband and I shrug and say she should have picked a better man, I'd expect to get less support.

If there is one thing I've found about this culture it is that we are amazingly good at looking at people who are in bad situations and convincing ourselves that they deserve to be there.

(04-03-2018, 11:35 PM)StLucieBengal Wrote: The woman getting beaten should be protected by her father and any brothers. This was how it was done for generations.

(04-03-2018, 10:49 PM)Nately120 Wrote: I'd argue that in both cases the woman is a victim of her own actions of being with a man who would hit her and the kids/ditch her and the kids.  That's what is interesting about it.  If I say the woman on welfare should have picked a better man to be her husband and father her kids I could get some support on that one.  If I see a woman getting hit by her husband and I shrug and say she should have picked a better man, I'd expect to get less support.

If there is one thing I've found about this culture it is that we are amazingly good at looking at people who are in bad situations and convincing ourselves that they deserve to be there.

(04-04-2018, 12:10 AM)Benton Wrote: This isn’t 1492. Our approach to how we treat each other shouldn’t be the same as our belief that the world is flat.

(04-03-2018, 11:35 PM)StLucieBengal Wrote: The woman getting beaten should be protected by her father and any brothers.  This was how it was done for generations.

(04-04-2018, 12:41 AM)THE Bigzoman Wrote: Sorry, lucie said the parents need to ensure she has a husband.

(04-04-2018, 12:24 AM)THE Bigzoman Wrote: See my edit.

I guess it would depend on if and how the attacker is related to the victim.
If they were a couple and the attack was domestic abuse then yes, I guess you could question the woman's judgement in character plus her own character in both scenarios.

With that said, Lucie clarified himself earlier with, and im paraphrasing,"a mans obligation is with his family.

He just contradicts himself when he says "the single mom just needs to find a husband" If we accept that the mans obligation only applies to his woman and kids but no one elses', then what man would sign up to take care of another mans kid?

You can see this sentiment in many men today. I'm not sure if it's because society spreading messages like Lucies or if it's from a biological imperative to ensure your offspring lives on. But hey, nurture vs nature.

Rambling a bit, I know.

(04-04-2018, 12:41 AM)THE Bigzoman Wrote: Sorry, lucie said the parents need to ensure she has a husband.

(04-04-2018, 12:45 PM)Nately120 Wrote: So if I'm out somewhere and a man is beating on his wife I can just sit there and do nothing because her father and/or brother (that she may not even have) should show up and stand up for her? 

(04-02-2018, 05:24 PM)StLucieBengal Wrote: No one is questioning the values you raise your children with, that differs family to family.   We are talking about raising them with purpose related to their role in life.

(04-03-2018, 09:45 PM)StLucieBengal Wrote: Yes we step in.....   as for welfare ..... the single mother should be finding the best husband she can so her children can grow up in a home with a mother and father.  

The welfare option doesn’t solve the problem of not having a married mother and father in the home.

(04-04-2018, 05:21 PM)fredtoast Wrote: Protecting and defending your family just makes them soft.

If you always take care of all their problems then they will be helpless on their own.

(04-04-2018, 07:07 PM)StLucieBengal Wrote: Women shouldn’t be on their own and really men shouldn’t be either, they both will lead fractured lives that need each other’s touch yo make it work as intended.

(04-04-2018, 12:45 PM)Nately120 Wrote: So if I'm out somewhere and a man is beating on his wife I can just sit there and do nothing because her father and/or brother (that she may not even have) should show up and stand up for her? 

Like I said, here is a situation where a woman is in distress and we are going down a laundry list of things/people who are at fault.  That's what we do, we look at someone in a bad situation and come up with reason that person is there on purpose, but when we are in bad situations ourselves we look for every excuse to explain why our own misfortune is circumstantial and not due to our own failings.



This is all starting to seem very Middle East-ey, to me.  

(04-04-2018, 12:52 PM)StLucieBengal Wrote: That’s up to you.  If you are ok watching a women getting beat up then that’s on you.  We have stated the problem with men today, and the reasons behind it all.  All we can do is raise a better generation of men by going to what’s worked over the years.

(04-04-2018, 07:07 PM)StLucieBengal Wrote: Women shouldn’t be on their own and really men shouldn’t be either, they both will lead fractured lives that need each other’s touch yo make it work as intended.

(04-05-2018, 09:07 AM)fredtoast Wrote: If you can not live without a woman or a parent then you have a problem.

(04-05-2018, 08:58 AM)Nately120 Wrote: The fact that we made Trump our leader has me a bit skeptical that we are on a path towards establishing respectful and meaningful relations between males and females .