(05-30-2018, 01:01 PM)Nately120 Wrote: I recall the debut getting some praise from people who try to convince me that every other show on tv does the exact same thing with liberal politics

Still the characters didn't act very political outside of simply yelling if they liked Trump or not, which made it seem even more out of place .

(05-30-2018, 11:45 AM)Nately120 Wrote: Ehh, they wouldn't even be relevant enough for a bizarre reboot without said idiot, so what can you do?  I can't imagine any of them saw making a career move in 2018 based around a "constantly apologizing for being systematically offensive" Roseanne as anything other than building a house upon sand.

The money people who gave this thing the green light can act as surprised as they wish, but the whole thing was likely a front-loaded cash grab to appeal to Trump supporters and nostalgia freaks before Roseanne ruins it with her off-stage antics.  

(05-30-2018, 01:32 PM)Millhouse Wrote: I wont speak for Michaelson, but I think he was referring to the 200 or so workers on the show, aka the "blue collar folks". The behind the scenes ones like lighting, set builders, etc.

(05-30-2018, 08:40 AM)Bengalzona Wrote: Interesting take on things, since many would say that that was exactly the same strategy which put a reality TV persona into the White House.

(05-30-2018, 01:32 PM)Millhouse Wrote: I wont speak for Michaelson, but I think he was referring to the 200 or so workers on the show, aka the "blue collar folks". The behind the scenes ones like lighting, set builders, etc.

(05-30-2018, 12:22 AM)Shake n Blake Wrote: I'm with ya. Terrible tweet, but she gave what looked like a sincere apology and swore off twitter. I 100% get the firing, but I prefer forgiveness and 2nd chances when warranted. Especially for words.

As for the show. Meh. I'd rather have Last Man Standing - which is coming back. 

(05-30-2018, 02:47 PM)Griever Wrote: she swore off twitter for all of 5 minutes, and was back posting crazy bullshit afterwards

(05-30-2018, 01:55 PM)Shake n Blake Wrote: Most of the people I've dealt with that voted Trump were older. He was very popular with the elderly where I'm at. Also working class folks in their 30's through 50's. These people would remember Trump more as a business tycoon and tabloid topic rather than for "the Apprentice". Fwiw, I'm not sure how much Apprentice would appeal to the younger generations anyway.

Quote:“People of all races, religions and nationalities work at Sanofi every day to improve the lives of people around the world,” the U.S. division of pharmaceutical giant Sanofi said in a tweet Wednesday. “While all pharmaceutical treatments have side effects, racism is not a known side effect of any Sanofi medication.”

(05-30-2018, 02:47 PM)Griever Wrote: she swore off twitter for all of 5 minutes, and was back posting crazy bullshit afterwards

(05-30-2018, 04:15 PM)Bengalzona Wrote: The people in their 30's through 50's remember him from the "Apprentice". Some of the older folk too. But you are right, with the older people it is more about the businessman/tabloid header. Even today, I see Trump plastered on the newspaper tabloids (Star,Enquirer, whatever) when I go through the checkout at the supermarket.

Still, in my mind there isn't much difference between a 'tabloid star' and a 'reality TV star'. Just a different medium. Same critter.

(05-30-2018, 01:42 PM)Millhouse Wrote: Yeah after thinking about, no apology is enough to keep her show on though, not after using the reference she used. Making political jokes or comments  is one thing, but this crossed another line in itself.

Of course, our Twitterer in Chief didnt criticize what Rosanne said, but instead criticized ABC chief for not issuing an apology to him for some things said about him in the past.

"Bob Iger of ABC called Valerie Jarrett to let her know that “ABC does not tolerate comments like those” made by Roseanne Barr. Gee, he never called President Donald J. Trump to apologize for the HORRIBLE statements made and said about me on ABC. Maybe I just didn’t get the call?"

(05-30-2018, 07:17 PM)6andcounting Wrote:

(05-30-2018, 07:21 PM)Shake n Blake Wrote: He has a point though. It's okay to make horrible comments about one politician, but not the other?

(05-30-2018, 07:25 PM)Belsnickel Wrote: What specific comments is he referring to, though? Were there comments made by ABC affiliated persons that are on par with what Roseanne said? Asking because I don't know. I've not heard of any that would be to that level.

(05-30-2018, 07:52 PM)bfine32 Wrote: ESPN Sports Anchor:


Back on Sept. 11, 2017, Hill tweeted, “Donald Trump is a white supremacist who has surrounded himself with other white supremacists.” Hill also called Trump a “bigot,” and “unqualified and unfit to be president.” She added, “If he were not white, he never would have been elected.” 


I could probably find a couple more if I took another 3 minutes. 

(05-30-2018, 08:16 PM)Belsnickel Wrote: I don't see opinions of someone based upon their words and actions to be comparable to racist commentary. That's just me. Now, the last comment comes close, but that is more commentary on the state of our society than it is Trump. More a commentary on those that voted for him.

Not saying Hill's comments were appropriate, but that's not the same sort of commentary.

(05-30-2018, 08:27 PM)bfine32 Wrote: Of course you don't see them as the same; because they were most likely something you find a degree of truth in. Of course her comments were based in race as she said she was not referring to Ben Carson.

(05-30-2018, 08:27 PM)bfine32 Wrote: So if you agree they were not appropriate (I see how you worded it), do you think that's something that earns an apology?

(05-30-2018, 08:27 PM)bfine32 Wrote: As to another: The actor that feigned outrage and "quit" has called Trump much worse to include calling him an orangutan. Then she cussed out an audience after they booed here for uttering such hate driven comments. 

Jimmy Kimmel has made numerous comments regarding Trump's personal appearance.

I could take another 3 minutes and find more or you could just concede that remarks about Trump's appearance have been made by ABC affiliates and no apology was issued.

(05-30-2018, 08:27 PM)bfine32 Wrote: There's only one reason Rosanne's comments are painted as more severe: It was because they were made against a person of color and that color was not orange.  

(05-30-2018, 08:44 PM)Belsnickel Wrote: 1. While I do find a degree of truth in them, that's not the reason I don't find them equivalent. There is a difference between speaking about someone's words and actions and making racist commentary.


2. Not really. I don't think ABC needed to apologize for Roseanne's comments, either.


3. Making fun of someone's appearance is not equivalent to making racist comments.


4. They were racist. That's why her comments were more severe.

(05-30-2018, 07:52 PM)bfine32 Wrote: ESPN Sports Anchor:


Back on Sept. 11, 2017, Hill tweeted, “Donald Trump is a white supremacist who has surrounded himself with other white supremacists.” Hill also called Trump a “bigot,” and “unqualified and unfit to be president.” She added, “If he were not white, he never would have been elected.” 


I could probably find a couple more if I took another 3 minutes.