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RE: Trump's new Sec. of Labor has some baggage... - Mike M (the other one) - 12-03-2018 (12-03-2018, 05:18 PM)GMDino Wrote: I "got that" all along...and it didn't change my doubts about him nor the baggage he brings. The only reason I brought Hillary into it, was because of the ethical side. Hillary, Acosta or any other political person's baggage, what difference, at this point, does it make?? RE: Trump's new Sec. of Labor has some baggage... - GMDino - 12-03-2018 (12-03-2018, 05:30 PM)Mike M (the other one) Wrote: The only reason I brought Hillary into it, was because of the ethical side. Well one isn't in office. But aside from that.... I'd argue that your premise that "everyone" has baggage while possibly accurate doesn't leave room for a sliding scale. Obama had "baggage" because of the church he went to. Trump had "baggage" because of all the lawsuits he lost for defrauding people. Are they equal? Acosta has baggage that surpasses a lot of other "baggage". But I get people defending him...I'm sure they were all defending Hillary and all the others too. RE: Trump's new Sec. of Labor has some baggage... - Mike M (the other one) - 12-03-2018 (12-03-2018, 05:37 PM)GMDino Wrote: Well one isn't in office. My initial responses are to Dill about calling this an Ehics matter. Morality and ethics are absolute. There is no room for grey. So to answer your question, yes they are all violations with different levels of punishment. (11-30-2018, 03:18 PM)Dill Wrote: Mike, do you think that respect for and adherence to ethics in office is just another thing like taking shoes on or off the right way, when it comes to determining who is fit for office? I have never heard of a prosecutor who lost his job for refusing to take off his shoes, but they can be prosecuted for corruption--for ethics violations. RE: Trump's new Sec. of Labor has some baggage... - Dill - 12-03-2018 (12-03-2018, 05:09 PM)Mike M (the other one) Wrote: Yes, I'm glad you're getting it finally, his superiors had a big role in this case. I still don't see the ethical dilemma for Hillary. Acting as a court appointed attorney was the ethical thing to do in her case. She was upholding the law, not breaking it or covering dirt for superiors. So why would she request to be withdrawn? (Remember, I am not talking about Fox Hillary.) Whether one case should define an entire career depends on the case, doesn't it? There are some mishandled cases which, if brought to light, may simply hurt a lawyer's business for two or three years. Others may bring formal censure. Still others may lead to disbarment. All a "baggage" to some degree, but some are more "baggagey" than others. If the public wants honest public servants, then some past behavior will be unacceptable. If some politicians want "fixers," then a shady past may be a recommendation. RE: Trump's new Sec. of Labor has some baggage... - Dill - 12-04-2018 (12-03-2018, 05:37 PM)GMDino Wrote: Acosta has baggage that surpasses a lot of other "baggage". We may be learning more about what went on behind the closed doors. The Miami Herald is still going through all the documents they've acquired. I am curious now about the Senate vote to confirm him: 60-38. The Epstein case was at least mentioned at the time, but in articles like the following it is embedded in more laudable and "normal" work. https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/get-there/wp/2017/02/17/five-things-you-should-know-about-alexander-acosta-trumps-new-pick-for-labor-secretary/?utm_term=.eb7b0a29c182 4. He worked on some high-profile cases as U.S. attorney. As a top federal prosecutor in Miami, Acosta led the case against Washington GOP lobbyist Jack Abramoff, who was charged with five counts of wire fraud and one count of conspiracy related to the purchase of gambling boats. Abramoff pleaded guilty to conspiracy, fraud and tax charges in 2006. Acosta was also involved in the prosecution of accused terrorist Jose Padilla, who was allegedly part of an al-Qaeda support cell in South Florida that was raising money for terrorists. Acosta achieved convictions against Colombian drug cartel members Miguel and Gilberto Rodriguez Orejuela. He led the case against Charles “Chuckie” Taylor Jr., who was convicted of torturing people who opposed his father, a former Liberian president. He also oversaw the case against Jeffrey Epstein, the wealthy financier accused of running a sex ring with underage girls. Epstein avoided federal charges when he pleaded guilty to state charges of soliciting prostitution, an agreement that was criticized by some of the alleged victims. This looks like a good resume, as presented. Most of the iceberg is underwater. But Feinstein did suggest that Epstein's treatment of the girls suggested that he would not have the interests of workers in mind. The impression I get from the Herald articles read thus far is that Epstein's own lawyers created most of the pressure on Epstein, but it didn't work with Joseph Recarey, the detective on the case, and Michael Reiter, the police chief. https://www.miamiherald.com/news/local/article214210674.html Acosta, in 2011, would explain that he was unduly pressured by Epstein’s heavy-hitting lawyers — Lefkowitz, Harvard professor Alan Dershowitz, Jack Goldberger, Roy Black, former U.S. Attorney Guy Lewis, Gerald Lefcourt, and Kenneth Starr, the former Whitewater special prosecutor who investigated Bill Clinton’s sexual liaisons with Monica Lewinsky Also it appears that Acosta was outright colluding with Epstein's lawyers to figure out how keep 90% of the iceberg out of sight. RE: Trump's new Sec. of Labor has some baggage... - GMDino - 02-22-2019 https://cbs2iowa.com/news/nation-world/judge-us-violated-victim-rights-in-jeffrey-epstein-sex-abuse-case Quote:Judge: US violated victim rights in Epstein sex abuse case RE: Trump's new Sec. of Labor has some baggage... - Dill - 02-22-2019 (02-22-2019, 09:51 AM)GMDino Wrote: https://cbs2iowa.com/news/nation-world/judge-us-violated-victim-rights-in-jeffrey-epstein-sex-abuse-case LOL Both sides do it. RE: Trump's new Sec. of Labor has some baggage... - GMDino - 02-22-2019 (02-22-2019, 01:01 PM)Dill Wrote: LOL Both sides do it. Indeed. This is much more a "rich and powerful" thing than a republican/democrat thing. RE: Trump's new Sec. of Labor has some baggage... - Mike M (the other one) - 02-22-2019 (02-22-2019, 01:01 PM)Dill Wrote: LOL Both sides do it. OFC they both do. At the time of the Prosecution, Trump wasn't even really more than a name involved, where as Clinton was a big one who was most likely being protected. Big difference between meeting Trump at Mars-A-Lago vs Bill flying in his private plane and sometimes visiting the ranch on multiple occasions. I despise the Epstein, but it really has little to do with Trump and Acosta did what he could under the circumstances. And I thought we were past this whole what happened in the past was the past, what the man does today is what matters, but I guess some still stuck in the old way of thinking. RE: Trump's new Sec. of Labor has some baggage... - GMDino - 02-22-2019 (02-22-2019, 02:21 PM)Mike M (the other one) Wrote: OFC they both do. Oh, yeah. No one knew who Trump was way back then. (02-22-2019, 02:21 PM)Mike M (the other one) Wrote: Big difference between meeting Trump at Mars-A-Lago vs Bill flying in his private plane and sometimes visiting the ranch on multiple occasions. Sure thing. Trump would never be accused of rape. (02-22-2019, 02:21 PM)Mike M (the other one) Wrote: And I thought we were past this whole what happened in the past was the past, what the man does today is what matters, but I guess some still stuck in the old way of thinking. The dude manipulated and raped teens. Some things are a little harder to forget. RE: Trump's new Sec. of Labor has some baggage... - bfine32 - 02-22-2019 As I've been referenced a time or two I feel compelled to chime in. Of course SSF is belittling Dino with many of his comments. However, go back and read the introduction to this thread and see where the belittling actually began. Don't bring a snake to the party and then complain when you get bit. RE: Trump's new Sec. of Labor has some baggage... - GMDino - 02-22-2019 (02-22-2019, 03:05 PM)bfine32 Wrote: As I've been referenced a time or two I feel compelled to chime in. Found it! RE: Trump's new Sec. of Labor has some baggage... - Dill - 02-22-2019 (02-22-2019, 02:59 PM)GMDino Wrote: The dude manipulated and raped teens. Some things are a little harder to forget. Sure, if you want to live in the past. I say we forget all this and let Epstein be Epstein and Acosta be Acosta. But I know the haters will still hate. RE: Trump's new Sec. of Labor has some baggage... - Dill - 02-22-2019 (02-22-2019, 02:21 PM)Mike M (the other one) Wrote: Er, I was joking when I said that. I don't think both sides do it. Thought everyone knew that. RE: Trump's new Sec. of Labor has some baggage... - Mike M (the other one) - 02-22-2019 (02-22-2019, 02:59 PM)GMDino Wrote: Oh, yeah. No one knew who Trump was way back then. You don't get it and probably never will, Trump was not accused of doing anything wrong like the others that are close to Epstein. Trump has his own issues, but highly unlikely they are connected to Epstein. Bush was POTUS when this happened, again, nothing to do with Trump. I'm talking about Acosta's past (it is what the OP is all about), he did the best he could given the circumstances and we should move past that. But apparently it's always TRUMP TRUMP TRUMP TRUMP TRUMP TRUMP TRUMP TRUMP TRUMP TRUMP TRUMP TRUMP TRUMP to you. When the only thing Trump did here was appoint Accosta to SCOTUS which he is well qualified for. RE: Trump's new Sec. of Labor has some baggage... - Mike M (the other one) - 02-22-2019 (02-22-2019, 04:16 PM)Dill Wrote: Er, I was joking when I said that. If that's so, then why didn't you quote both Dino's post and mine and say that? I don't like being accused of putting words in other people's mouths. If you aren't going to use the Sarcasm emoji then its on you for not making it clear what you mean. :andy: I'm not gonna play the childish game some of the posters get into of "I know I said that, but that's not what I meant." RE: Trump's new Sec. of Labor has some baggage... - GMDino - 02-22-2019 (02-22-2019, 05:51 PM)Mike M (the other one) Wrote: You don't get it and probably never will, Actually I never said Trump was accused with Epstein (his rape accusations are separate from this) I was was just commenting on how YOU said Clinton was much closer even though he wasn't accused in this case either and Trump was "just a name" when this happened. As I said in the OP he came with baggage. Some want to exonerate him as just a pawn. Seemed to me that if he was that weak of a pawn he shouldn't be qualified for the position Trump wanted him in even if he had "little" to do with the decision regarding Epstein. Seems it was indeed worth posting about now that that baggage is being investigated. RE: Trump's new Sec. of Labor has some baggage... - Dill - 02-22-2019 (02-22-2019, 06:01 PM)Mike M (the other one) Wrote: If that's so, then why didn't you quote both Dino's post and mine and say that? Easy there OtherMike. It was a passing joke, and not aimed at you or anyone in particular. There hasn't been a post on this thread for two months until Dino's update. I wasn't thinking of you at all. Also, if you took me seriously, that is not a big deal. Wasn't a trick. No one is accusing you of anything. If you haven't followed my comments on bothsidesism that it is an understandable mistake. So sure, it's "on me". And I am still unlikely ever to spoil irony with the sarcasm emoji. RE: Trump's new Sec. of Labor has some baggage... - GMDino - 07-08-2019 I hope this brings them all down. I hope this touches every political party and religion and multiple countries and all these people are brought to justice and suffer. I hope the people who decided to let Epstein skat the first time get raked over the coals too. https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2019/07/08/jeffrey-epstein-court-sex-trafficking-charges/1671254001/ But I know a bunch of rich and powerful men will probably get off easy (no pun intended). RE: Trump's new Sec. of Labor has some baggage... - CJD - 07-08-2019 (02-22-2019, 01:21 PM)GMDino Wrote: Indeed. This is much more a "rich and powerful" thing than a republican/democrat thing. I agree. Rich people skirting the law (until they eventually don't in some cases) is a time honored tradition in America that knows no political party boundary. |