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RE: ISIS Defeated? - bfine32 - 01-31-2019 Kudos to the GOP leadership for questioning the Admin's decision to pull Soldiers out of Syria and Afghanistan: https://www.yahoo.com/news/u-senate-leader-wants-u-troops-stay-syria-192952490.html Quote:The Republican leader of the U.S. Senate offered legislation on Tuesday urging the United States to keep troops in Syria and Afghanistan, as President Donald Trump's administration moves toward withdrawals of American forces after years overseas. Does this mean that those that want us out of the ME will stand with POTUS? RE: ISIS Defeated? - Stonyhands - 02-01-2019 (01-18-2019, 12:15 PM)Yojimbo Wrote: I find it incredibly fishy that every time the intent of leaving Syria or Afghanistan is mentioned, there's a random attack that gives the MIC reason to stay, the media sells it and the public laps it up and cheers for more war. Which, the MIC is happy to oblige, right after they finish counting their money. Don’t bother...there’s zero winning any argument with any liberal hell bent on trashing our President. It’s literally as if they honestly believe Trump woke up one day and decided on a whim to do the things he has. It couldn’t possibly be a President fulfilling the campaign promises that got him elected by his supporters. Heaven knows they couldn’t possibly understand what it’s like to have elected a President that follows through on the very promises he’s elected for despite the constant criticism for everything he and his family does down to the clothes they wear. Criticism for actions and words spoken by previous and current leaders they had most likely voted for themselves. It’s real life lunacy! RE: ISIS Defeated? - Au165 - 02-01-2019 (02-01-2019, 02:56 AM)Stonyhands Wrote: It’s literally as if they honestly believe Trump woke up one day and decided on a whim to do the things he has. ...In many cases, yes I believe that is exactly what happens. People inside the White House have alluded to this being true in some instances haha. RE: ISIS Defeated? - GMDino - 02-01-2019 (01-31-2019, 07:39 PM)bfine32 Wrote: Kudos to the GOP leadership for questioning the Admin's decision to pull Soldiers out of Syria and Afghanistan: It's not a matter of "standing" with DJT about pulling out. A lot of us what to pull back our footprint in the ME. It's about him saying we "won" and everything will be okie dokie and we're leaving right away. He's clueless to how to lead and that is reflected in his tweets. I stand with the people who make informed decisions...not the people who say whatever their gut tells them who then call the other side "uninformed" and tells them they need more education. If Trump said the sky was blue I'd have to look before agreeing with him. RE: ISIS Defeated? - SunsetBengal - 02-01-2019 Seems like it's just about over. https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/isis-has-been-reduced-to-15-square-miles-in-syria-this-is-its-final-stand/ar-BBT2ec6?ocid=spartanntp RE: ISIS Defeated? - GMDino - 02-01-2019 (02-01-2019, 11:06 AM)SunsetBengal Wrote: Seems like it's just about over. Yeah, they lost their land...but they aren't a country, they are an ideology. Lot's of ISIS members still there. From what I have read and heard at least. I'll try to find a link. RE: ISIS Defeated? - SunsetBengal - 02-01-2019 (02-01-2019, 11:15 AM)GMDino Wrote: Yeah, they lost their land...but they aren't a country, they are an ideology. Lot's of ISIS members still there. Wha?? You mean you don't take CNN's word for it? RE: ISIS Defeated? - Dill - 02-01-2019 (02-01-2019, 02:56 AM)Stonyhands Wrote: Don’t bother...there’s zero winning any argument with any liberal hell bent on trashing our President. It’s literally as if they honestly believe Trump woke up one day and decided on a whim to do the things he has. It couldn’t possibly be a President fulfilling the campaign promises that got him elected by his supporters. Heaven knows they couldn’t possibly understand what it’s like to have elected a President that follows through on the very promises he’s elected for despite the constant criticism for everything he and his family does down to the clothes they wear. Criticism for actions and words spoken by previous and current leaders they had most likely voted for themselves. It’s real life lunacy! What is Trump's Middle East policy, and how did his announced pull out fit into that? Also, was General Mattis a liberal? Why did he resign last December when Trump announced he was bringing all the troops home "now"? Why have other foreign policy players like the Secretary of State and National Security Advisor done all they could to walk back Trump's announcement? Why are our troops still in Syria, over a month later, with no exit date? Without some meaningful answers to these questions, it is VERY hard to win an argument with a liberal, "hell bent" or not. And nothing to do with "campaign promises." RE: ISIS Defeated? - GMDino - 02-01-2019 (02-01-2019, 11:43 AM)SunsetBengal Wrote: Wha?? You mean you don't take CNN's word for it? I agreed they have lost land. I disagree that they means ISIS is defeated. RE: ISIS Defeated? - Dill - 02-01-2019 (01-31-2019, 07:39 PM)bfine32 Wrote: Kudos to the GOP leadership for questioning the Admin's decision to pull Soldiers out of Syria and Afghanistan: Ha ha, this is your "wedge" issue for the liberals, Bfine. I stand with you on this one, though. RE: ISIS Defeated? - Dill - 02-01-2019 (02-01-2019, 11:15 AM)GMDino Wrote: Yeah, they lost their land...but they aren't a country, they are an ideology. Lot's of ISIS members still there. Very easy. Just Google "ISIS Afghanistan, Algeria, Bangladesh, Chad, China, India, Indonesia, Libya, Niger, Nigeria, Pakistan, Yemen." RE: ISIS Defeated? - GMDino - 02-01-2019 (02-01-2019, 11:56 AM)Dill Wrote: Very easy. Just Google "ISIS Afghanistan, Algeria, Bangladesh, Chad, China, India, Indonesia, Libya, Niger, Nigeria, Pakistan, Yemen." Ha! I meant to the stats on ISIS...but your point is taken! RE: ISIS Defeated? - SunsetBengal - 02-01-2019 (02-01-2019, 11:47 AM)GMDino Wrote: I agreed they have lost land. I disagree that they means ISIS is defeated. Isn't the only real measure of how much impact/influence their ideology has determined by how much ground they occupy? How else will they hold people captive, and force them to submit to said ideology, if they have no territory to have their ideology ruling over? RE: ISIS Defeated? - GMDino - 02-01-2019 (02-01-2019, 12:03 PM)SunsetBengal Wrote: Isn't the only real measure of how much impact/influence their ideology has determined by how much ground they occupy? How else will they hold people captive, and force them to submit to said ideology, if they have no territory to have their ideology ruling over? No. https://www.nytimes.com/2019/01/24/podcasts/the-daily/isis-syria-attack-us.html More: https://www.nytimes.com/2019/01/21/world/middleeast/isis-syria-attack-iraq.html Quote:“People make the mistake of thinking that when you lose territory, it’s linear — that they will continue to lose,” said Seth G. Jones, a senior adviser at the Center for Strategic and International Studies and the author of the center’s recent study assessing ISIS’ troop strength. But, and this is important, DJT doesn't believe his intelligence reports unless they reinforce what he "knows". RE: ISIS Defeated? - Stonyhands - 02-01-2019 (02-01-2019, 11:45 AM)Dill Wrote: His policy is peace in the Middle East and not wasting anymore US Soldiers lives and US dollars on a never ending war in Afghanistan. Color me surprised that a General rebuked any plans on drawing down our military presence. Why are our Troops still in Syria? Why is this such a shocker to you? What exactly has Trump tried to do in his time as President that wasn’t dragged out or fought every step of the way? With the exception of confirming General Mattis to his position. Why would this be any different? It’s not exactly unheard of for disagreements in policy between a commander in chief and those in positions such has General Mathis. Obama didn’t always see eye to eye with his Generals either and there were many disconnects during his presidency. ...and yes many would say General Mattis is liberal or leans more to that direction than he does toward being a conservative. RE: ISIS Defeated? - Dill - 02-01-2019 (02-01-2019, 03:46 PM)Stonyhands Wrote: His policy is peace in the Middle East and not wasting anymore US Soldiers lives and US dollars on a never ending war in Afghanistan. Generalities. That's everyone's policy. With reference to those actually in power, this is a policy question. What is the PLAN for peace in the Middle East and getting out of Afghanistan? What the specific goals in the process and the steps taken towards them. How does Syria fit into any larger Middle East strategy, and how does an abrupt pullout, which surprises Trump's own advisors and secretaries, accomplish that--especially when it turns out not to be a pull out? It is with respect to already articulated policy that presidents generally explain their actions. So what is Trump's Middle East/Syria policy? (02-01-2019, 03:46 PM)Stonyhands Wrote: Color me surprised that a General rebuked any plans on drawing down our military presence. You think generals want to keep troops in combat for no good reason? Their judgments don't respond to military necessity? It is still a "shocker" to me that our troops are still in Syria because in December, Trump announced he was pulling the out NOW, starting the day of the announcement. Our allies in the region have set plans for working with the US over the coming months, so this announcement took them completely by surprise. And it took our NSC advisor, Bolton, and our Secretary of State, Pompeo, and our Secretary of Defense by surprise as well. We are still there because one of these gentlemen resigned and the others sat Trump down and explained what the costs of an immediate pull out would be. Then over the next week they traveled to Turkey and Jordan and Iraq to reconnect with leaders of those countries and their needs, not to mention our other allies on the ground. Perhaps this is what you mean by "dragged out and fought every step of the way" knowledgeable officials trying to avert disaster as Trump "keeps his promises." (02-01-2019, 03:46 PM)Stonyhands Wrote: It’s not exactly unheard of for disagreements in policy between a commander in chief and those in positions such has General Mathis. Obama didn’t always see eye to eye with his Generals either and there were many disconnects during his presidency. It is EXACTLY "unheard of." We are talking about a president who doesn't take his daily intel briefings and then announces a pull out with no preparation or advance warning, leaving his own administration and chaos and damage control mode. NO OTHER PRESIDENT HAS DONE THIS. Mattis has registered for no political party. But you think there must be some "liberal" in the guy if he resigns to protest an out-of-control president's actions? Are Pompeo and Bolton liberals? They didn't resign, but they were just as shocked. The Republican dominated Senate just voted to rebuke Trump's plan to withdraw troops from Syria and Afghanistan. This is about competence and national interest, not party. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vkZmYa7t1pU RE: ISIS Defeated? - jj22 - 02-04-2019 ISIS is preparing to declare victory and gain respect... https://www.cnn.com/2019/02/04/politics/pentagon-report-isis/index.html?utm_source=twCNN&utm_content=2019-02-04T15%3A56%3A04&utm_term=image&utm_medium=social RE: ISIS Defeated? - jj22 - 02-04-2019 (02-01-2019, 02:56 AM)Stonyhands Wrote: Don’t bother...there’s zero winning any argument with any liberal hell bent on trashing our President. It’s literally as if they honestly believe Trump woke up one day and decided on a whim to do the things he has. It couldn’t possibly be a President fulfilling the campaign promises that got him elected by his supporters. Heaven knows they couldn’t possibly understand what it’s like to have elected a President that follows through on the very promises he’s elected for despite the constant criticism for everything he and his family does down to the clothes they wear. Criticism for actions and words spoken by previous and current leaders they had most likely voted for themselves. It’s real life lunacy! I know we shouldn't expect everyone to follow Politics like we do, but anyone who does knows "liberals" are on the side of Trump on this issue. So this is a sad an uninformed case of fake news. 2020 Candidates are already showing support for the withdrawal. |