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RE: Some Republicans vote against anti-bigotry resolution. - BmorePat87 - 04-12-2019 (04-12-2019, 11:28 AM)GMDino Wrote: Agreed. (And did above.) But the rest of the quote you posted (I still haven't watched the video) clarified. To be fair "Note: I am not defend what she said because I didn't hear it yet." isn't really condemning her, and this isn't like AOC using a pastry comparison and us bickering about the meaning of it. This is about someone in an esteemed office dismissing the magnitude of the greatest attack ever committed on American soil. Without even reading her comments, you jumped into "is this only because she's a Democrat". We agree on a lot of issues, and we both dislike the depths the office of POTUS has sunk too, but we should still try to uphold these desired standards across the board. RE: Some Republicans vote against anti-bigotry resolution. - GMDino - 04-12-2019 (04-12-2019, 12:18 PM)BmorePat87 Wrote: To be fair "Note: I am not defend what she said because I didn't hear it yet." isn't really condemning her, and this isn't like AOC using a pastry comparison and us bickering about the meaning of it. This is about someone in an esteemed office dismissing the magnitude of the greatest attack ever committed on American soil. Followed by not doing that. I said I wasn't defending her because I didn't listen to what she said. (04-12-2019, 12:18 PM)BmorePat87 Wrote: Without even reading her comments, you jumped into "is this only because she's a Democrat". We agree on a lot of issues, and we both dislike the depths the office of POTUS has sunk too, but we should still try to uphold these desired standards across the board. And I'm saying it because she's a democrat vs what Trump said because he's a republican. I'm making a distinction between someone saying "she just fluffed off 3000 people getting killed" in a full statement about how not all Muslims are bad versus Nazis have good people among them. And after discussing I agreed that her initial quote is bad and she if someone wants to point that out that is fine and dandy. RE: Some Republicans vote against anti-bigotry resolution. - Sociopathicsteelerfan - 04-12-2019 (04-12-2019, 10:54 AM)BmorePat87 Wrote: He didn't call her terrorist, anti-American, or any other slur. He condemned what she said. (04-12-2019, 10:56 AM)BmorePat87 Wrote: By deflecting to Trump without condemning her, you make it clear that you do not actually care about upholding the standards you want want the right to uphold. (04-12-2019, 11:04 AM)BmorePat87 Wrote: Because describing the murder of 3,000 people as "some people did something" is a condemnable statement from a member of Congress, even if they were attempting to make a point about civil liberties. This may be the first time I've seen you run up against this phenomena on this board. We certainly have our differences, but you're always consistent in your opinions. The more extreme of us on this board are not. Even worse, some of our more extreme members don't appear to realize just how extreme they are. You are 100% correct, Omar's statement was reprehensible. I would condemn the remark if it was made by a gas station attendant, much less a member of Congress. Additionally, Omar's history doesn't work in her favor on this. The GOP has Steve King, the only GOP member of Congress I believe you can legitimately slap the white nationalist tag on, and the Dems have Omar, an antisemite who trivializes muslim extremism. They both deserve condemnation, only one of them was condemned by their own party. RE: Some Republicans vote against anti-bigotry resolution. - fredtoast - 04-12-2019 first of all people need to realize that the members of CAIR are victims of 9-11 also. They all know what happened on 9-11. Omar could have used a better phrase, but I don't see it being a big deal. Just curious, but when you guys talk about 9-11 do you say "9-11" or do you say "the day Muslims murdered over three thousand Americans" or "the deadliest act of terrorism ever in US history"? At least she was not claiming that on 9-11 there were some "good people" among the terrorists. RE: Some Republicans vote against anti-bigotry resolution. - jj22 - 04-12-2019 I guess the answer is no we won't hold Republicans accountable too. Just the Dem. One day we'll hold both parties to equal standards. RE: Some Republicans vote against anti-bigotry resolution. - fredtoast - 04-12-2019 Here is her quote "CAIR was founded after 9/11, because they recognized that some people did something and that all of us were starting to lose access to our civil liberties," How many of you would be squealing "racism" if she had said this instead? "CAIR was founded after 9/11, because they recognized that all of us were starting to lose access to our civil liberties," I think this is just much ado about nothing. RE: Some Republicans vote against anti-bigotry resolution. - jj22 - 04-12-2019 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r7LRXPnGkPY RE: Some Republicans vote against anti-bigotry resolution. - jj22 - 04-12-2019 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wsVmV1xIjGo RE: Some Republicans vote against anti-bigotry resolution. - BmorePat87 - 04-12-2019 (04-12-2019, 12:35 PM)fredtoast Wrote: first of all people need to realize that the members of CAIR are victims of 9-11 also. They all know what happened on 9-11. Omar could have used a better phrase, but I don't see it being a big deal. I don't think anyone would have had an issue with her saying "because of 9/11". That's very different from saying "because some people did something". To even loosely imply that the two are comparable is just intellectually lazy. Just please do not feign moral outrage or expect anyone on the right to condemn anything Trump says if you're incapable of doing so for a freshman congresswoman. RE: Some Republicans vote against anti-bigotry resolution. - SunsetBengal - 04-12-2019 Everyone should have voted against this resolution. It's obviously an encroachment to Freedom of Speech, as guaranteed in the 1st Amendment. Hate speech is bad, and should be condemned by all. However, the way to achieve peace and acceptance among differing peoples isn't by attempting to control speech and thought. People who express negative sentiments toward people they don't agree with is and should remain completely acceptable within the law, with the exception of speech that incites violence toward others. RE: Some Republicans vote against anti-bigotry resolution. - BmorePat87 - 04-12-2019 (04-12-2019, 12:43 PM)fredtoast Wrote: Here is her quote Who said anything was racist about what she said? RE: Some Republicans vote against anti-bigotry resolution. - BmorePat87 - 04-12-2019 (04-12-2019, 12:49 PM)SunsetBengal Wrote: Everyone should have voted against this resolution. It's obviously an encroachment to Freedom of Speech, as guaranteed in the 1st Amendment. Nothing about the resolution limits free speech. RE: Some Republicans vote against anti-bigotry resolution. - fredtoast - 04-12-2019 (04-12-2019, 12:49 PM)BmorePat87 Wrote: Who said anything was racist about what she said? riticisms of Israel and pro-Israel American lobbying organizations. "Ilhan Omar isn’t just anti-Semitic – she’s anti-American," Republican National Committee Chairwoman Ronna McDaniel said in a tweet referencing her 9/11 remark. RE: Some Republicans vote against anti-bigotry resolution. - BmorePat87 - 04-12-2019 (04-12-2019, 01:14 PM)fredtoast Wrote: riticisms of Israel and pro-Israel American lobbying organizations. So none of us? Gotcha. Her anti-semitic label comes from her stance on lobbying from Israeli groups, not her 9/11 comment. I disagree that it's anti-semitic on the surface, but no one was calling her anti-semitic for the 9/11 comment. RE: Some Republicans vote against anti-bigotry resolution. - BmorePat87 - 04-12-2019 (04-12-2019, 12:30 PM)Sociopathicsteelerfan Wrote: This may be the first time I've seen you run up against this phenomena on this board. We certainly have our differences, but you're always consistent in your opinions. The more extreme of us on this board are not. Even worse, some of our more extreme members don't appear to realize just how extreme they are. My criticism of conservatives who do this is meaningless if it's not uniform. RE: Some Republicans vote against anti-bigotry resolution. - Sociopathicsteelerfan - 04-12-2019 (04-12-2019, 12:35 PM)fredtoast Wrote: first of all people need to realize that the members of CAIR are victims of 9-11 also. They all know what happened on 9-11. Omar could have used a better phrase, but I don't see it being a big deal. #whataboutism (04-12-2019, 12:43 PM)fredtoast Wrote: Here is her quote Yeah. I remember at the Holocaust museum when the tour guide was telling us about Auschwitz where, "some people did something". (04-12-2019, 12:45 PM)BmorePat87 Wrote: I don't think anyone would have had an issue with her saying "because of 9/11". That's very different from saying "because some people did something". To even loosely imply that the two are comparable is just intellectually lazy. You're not leaving him with much here. (04-12-2019, 01:54 PM)BmorePat87 Wrote: So none of us? Gotcha. Precisely. (04-12-2019, 01:55 PM)BmorePat87 Wrote: My criticism of conservatives who do this is meaningless if it's not uniform. My hope is that some take notes. RE: Some Republicans vote against anti-bigotry resolution. - fredtoast - 04-12-2019 (04-12-2019, 01:54 PM)BmorePat87 Wrote: So none of us? Gotcha. I just posted a comment "referencing her 9-11 comments" that called her anti-Semitic. Since you were not the one that made that comment you have no idea if the label was based on something else. If Mike brown makes a stupid move and I say "Not only is he cheap, but he is stupid" you can't start splitting up my comment and claim the "cheap" part of it was based on one move and "stupid" part of it was based on a different one. RE: Some Republicans vote against anti-bigotry resolution. - fredtoast - 04-12-2019 (04-12-2019, 02:30 PM)Sociopathicsteelerfan Wrote: Yeah. I remember at the Holocaust museum when the tour guide was telling us about Auschwitz where, "some people did something". Not sure what your point is but I have heard the term "Holocaust" used many times without having to add any details about how many people died. And I have had multiple conversations with people about 9-11 without having to add details about how many people were murdered. RE: Some Republicans vote against anti-bigotry resolution. - Sociopathicsteelerfan - 04-12-2019 (04-12-2019, 02:42 PM)fredtoast Wrote: Not sure what your point is. I think we're done here. ![]() RE: Some Republicans vote against anti-bigotry resolution. - fredtoast - 04-12-2019 (04-12-2019, 03:02 PM)Sociopathicsteelerfan Wrote: I think we're done here. Good. I don't have time to waste playing the "obtuse answer" game. |