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RE: Are you in favor of stacking the Supreme Court? - bfine32 - 10-08-2020 (10-08-2020, 01:57 PM)Crazyjdawg Wrote: Started the practice of what, exactly? Refused to confirm based solely on Political beliefs instead of qualifications. I thought you knew this. RE: Are you in favor of stacking the Supreme Court? - Mickeypoo - 10-08-2020 (10-08-2020, 01:35 PM)Crazyjdawg Wrote: I didn't say it was unconstitutional. I said it was deceptive and underhanded. Which it is; both in the way they denied Obama's pick and the way they are now trying to jam through Trump's pick in an even more extreme version of their initial denial in 2016. Great points! RE: Are you in favor of stacking the Supreme Court? - CJD - 10-08-2020 (10-08-2020, 02:00 PM)bfine32 Wrote: Refused to confirm based solely on Political beliefs instead of qualifications. Right. Got it. Because the Republicans politicized civil rights XD. Thanks for making that clear, Bfine. We always heard about how the "party switch" isn't real, but you just made it explicit that Republicans in 1987 believed in repressing civil rights. Thanks for the lay up. RE: Are you in favor of stacking the Supreme Court? - Mickeypoo - 10-08-2020 (10-08-2020, 01:45 PM)PhilHos Wrote: You said this: I'm pretty sure she said "stacked" and "unqualified" as well as "white" if I am remembering correctly. RE: Are you in favor of stacking the Supreme Court? - BrownAssClown - 10-08-2020 Short answer no....but if it does happen you can blame Mitch McConnell, he's the one that says things like we have the power and the numbers to get it done. IMO Obama should of had his pick, Trump should of had 1 pick so far, and whomever wins in November gets to fill the current vacancy. McConnell is not playing by the rules he set forth in 2016, Why?...He doesn't have to, he has the numbers and the power, so don't go blaming the Democrats if they get the power and the numbers to pack the court. Again, should it happen no, but I won't blame them if they do it and you have folks like Mitch McConnell and Lindsey Graham to thank for it. RE: Are you in favor of stacking the Supreme Court? - CJD - 10-08-2020 (10-08-2020, 02:09 PM)BrownAssClown Wrote: Short answer no....but if it does happen you can blame Mitch McConnell, he's the one that says things like we have the power and the numbers to get it done. IMO Obama should of had his pick, Trump should of had 1 pick so far, and whomever wins in November gets to fill the current vacancy. McConnell is not playing by the rules he set forth in 2016, Why?...He doesn't have to, he has the numbers and the power, so don't go blaming the Democrats if they get the power There's a long legacy of one-upmanship in the Senate in terms of who can grab more power. You saw it with the Nuclear Option in 2013. And even that was only done because McConnell was intentionally preventing appointees from being confirmed. And, before that, in 2003, Democrats were doing the same thing, which made Republicans consider the nuclear option before getting a larger majority in 2004. I'm sure if you go back further, you'll see even more back and forth in terms of trying to snuff the other side out. I think it was kind of required to remove the 60 seat vote rule because the days of one party having 60 seats in the Senate may be gone forever. At least until something dramatically changes about the way politics are discussed and executed in this country. I don't know how to repair our political system. The idea of Republicans and Democrats working together ever again seems...unlikely. Maybe if we have a shift in one direction or another and members of the same party now begin migrating between parties (like, for example, if the extremist Republicans of today begin to fade away with time and the conservatives in the Democratic party like Biden become the new "Republican party" and the AOCs and Bernies become the new "Democratic Party"), but the idea of that ever happening is just so low, I can't even fathom it occurring from where we are today. RE: Are you in favor of stacking the Supreme Court? - NATI BENGALS - 10-08-2020 (10-08-2020, 01:47 PM)PhilHos Wrote: Let's be honest. The only consistency from either party is the Democrats consistently calling Republicans racist. Funny stuff coming from the guy who called me racist in this very thread because he didn’t know any better. RE: Are you in favor of stacking the Supreme Court? - NATI BENGALS - 10-08-2020 (10-08-2020, 01:49 PM)PhilHos Wrote: That article was not written by Kamala Harris. You claimed Harris said that Trump nominated unqualified justices. I’m done playing google for you. Gotta work. Educate yourself RE: Are you in favor of stacking the Supreme Court? - oncemoreuntothejimbreech - 10-08-2020 (10-08-2020, 12:45 PM)Mickeypoo Wrote: He didn't "stack" the courts. "Stacking" the court is expanding the number of seats and then filling them with people leaning the way you want. https://www.brookings.edu/blog/fixgov/2018/06/04/senate-obstructionism-handed-judicial-vacancies-to-trump/ Obama was obstructed by McConnell from filling those seats. https://ballotpedia.org/ABA_ratings_during_the_Trump_administration They were declared "not qualified" by the American Bar Association. RE: Are you in favor of stacking the Supreme Court? - GMDino - 10-08-2020 (10-08-2020, 02:02 PM)Crazyjdawg Wrote: Right. Got it. I know its Wikipedia but it had all the numbers in one place. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robert_Bork_Supreme_Court_nomination#Full_Senate Two Democrats voted in favor. Six Republicans voted against. And it was more than civil rights: (Bold mine) Quote:On July 31, 1987, President Ronald Reagan nominated Judge Robert Bork for Associate Justice of the Supreme Court of the United States to succeed Lewis Powell, who had earlier announced his retirement. At the time of his nomination, Bork was a judge on the United States Court of Appeals for the District of Columbia Circuit, a position to which he was appointed by President Reagan in 1982.[url=https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robert_Bork_Supreme_Court_nomination#cite_note-CDNCS-2][/url] RE: Are you in favor of stacking the Supreme Court? - samhain - 10-08-2020 (10-08-2020, 12:19 PM)Sociopathicsteelerfan Wrote: One of the worst ideas to come out of the Dem camp in a year chocked full of terrible ideas. I wish I was being hyperbolic when I say that stacking the court would likely mean the end of the United States as it currently exists. It's such a naked power grab I think it would be the straw that broke the Cambell's soup can that got throw at police. I'm sure you're clutching you're pearls when it comes to a sitting president's campaign literally saying that they are working with state legislators to appoint their own pro-Trump electors to circumvent the will of the voters, right? Gotta be another "end of the United States as it currently exists" kind of thing, right? RE: Are you in favor of stacking the Supreme Court? - PhilHos - 10-08-2020 (10-08-2020, 02:03 PM)Mickeypoo Wrote: I'm pretty sure she said "stacked" and "unqualified" as well as "white" if I am remembering correctly. I granted the possibility that I may have missed her saying that but I honestly don't recall her saying anything other than that they were whtie. RE: Are you in favor of stacking the Supreme Court? - PhilHos - 10-08-2020 (10-08-2020, 02:27 PM)NATI BENGALS Wrote: Funny stuff coming from the guy who called me racist in this very thread because he didn’t know any better. I didn't call you racist. I said the remark was racist. (10-08-2020, 02:28 PM)NATI BENGALS Wrote: I’m done playing google for you. Gotta work. Educate yourself I did. I found no evidence that Harris claimed during the VP debate that Trump's judicial nominees were unqualified. Only that they weren't black. So maybe don't make up shit and you won't get called out for it. RE: Are you in favor of stacking the Supreme Court? - CJD - 10-08-2020 (10-08-2020, 02:30 PM)GMDino Wrote: I know its Wikipedia but it had all the numbers in one place. I honestly didn't even check the vote count haha. But that's interesting. Could you imagine 6 Republicans going against Trump this time? RE: Are you in favor of stacking the Supreme Court? - Sociopathicsteelerfan - 10-08-2020 (10-08-2020, 03:01 PM)samhain Wrote: I'm sure you're clutching you're pearls when it comes to a sitting president's campaign literally saying that they are working with state legislators to appoint their own pro-Trump electors to circumvent the will of the voters, right? Gotta be another "end of the United States as it currently exists" kind of thing, right? It certainly gave me the vapors. RE: Are you in favor of stacking the Supreme Court? - bfine32 - 10-08-2020 (10-08-2020, 02:02 PM)Crazyjdawg Wrote: Right. Got it. That's cool and all, but it does absolutely nothing to dispute the point. So do we agree that a Dem controlled Senate was the first to not confirm a SCOTUS candidate based on political belief instead of qualification or do we not? RE: Are you in favor of stacking the Supreme Court? - bfine32 - 10-08-2020 (10-08-2020, 02:30 PM)GMDino Wrote: I know its Wikipedia but it had all the numbers in one place. Thanks for supporting my stance. RE: Are you in favor of stacking the Supreme Court? - NATI BENGALS - 10-09-2020 (10-08-2020, 03:16 PM)PhilHos Wrote: I didn't call you racist. I said the remark was racist. https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/elections/2020/10/08/vice-presidential-debate-full-transcript-mike-pence-and-kamala-harris/5920773002/ “Yeah, I’m about to. So, the Trump-Pence administration has been – because I sit on the Senate Judiciary Committee, Susan, as you mentioned. And I've witnessed the appointments, for lifetime appointments to the federal courts, district courts, Courts of Appeal -- people who are purely ideological people who have been reviewed by legal professional organizations and found to be not competent, are substandard. And do you know that of the 50 people who President Trump appointed to the Court of Appeals for lifetime appointments, not one is Black? This is what they've been doing. You want to talk about packing a court? Let's have that discussion.“ My god man. If you are going to run with a right wing talking point then double down on it.... never mind. No wonder we have a conman for prez. Not competent and substandard. There is not a drop of racism involved in wanting a representative government with some diversity and an administration that failed at it. RE: Are you in favor of stacking the Supreme Court? - samhain - 10-09-2020 I think stacking the court is a shit idea and doubt it will happen. I think it's dumb for Dem legislators to even threaten it. SCOTUS justices are a crapshoot anyway. They are bound by precedent. They can make changes, but not purely based on personal ideology. Roberts seems to make attempts to keep the Court as neutral as possible, and even Kavanaugh, viewed largely as a down-the-line ideologue of the right has exercised discretion in his opinions as a justice. The best change is unforced and organic outside of extreme circumstances like slavery or Jim Crow. There's an argument for power begetting power, as the senior senator form my state has demonstrated, but some things should be sacred. In time, places like Texas, Georgia, and North Carolina will become swing/light blue states. The GOP will find it nearly impossible to win a general election, and the Senate will be largely lost to them. At that point, Dems can replace justices as needed. RE: Are you in favor of stacking the Supreme Court? - Millhouse - 10-09-2020 I think this is a bad move by Biden right now to not give an answer other than 'Wait til I am elected' kind of answer. I have to think most voters are against stacking the court, probably like 2/3rds or so if I had to guess based on some polls done on this. So risking voters to swing away from him just doesnt make sense for something like this. Just simpy say "No, we wont stack the court, end of story'. |