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RE: Journalism is in the Toilet - GMDino - 03-17-2021 My bad for not just trying to rile up and insult the OP when I attributed it to just a mistake made in a rush. Ok, maybe it was ignorance. All seriousness aside the story talks about the audio being released and how the first story story was not based on that...which for the OTHER call the audio was released the week that it happened. That's why, when I read it I looked further into it because it didn't make sense. RE: Journalism is in the Toilet - GMDino - 03-20-2021 I had dinner last night with two college friends, both conservatives. One is much more conservative (and much more religious) the other is less so on both counts. The latter being my ex-college roommate, best man at my wedding (I was his also) and lifelong friend. When we have these dinners we inevitably talk politics. I won't bore you with that but my old roommate is not a fan of social media and how it divided us. We had an in-depth conversation about what I often say here: There is social media, there is "the media", there is journalism, etc. Clickbait is not the same as real journalism but too often everything gets intertwined because that is the earnings model that we have now for "news". Be fast, be first...worry about the be right later, at least in most/many cases. He believes that "news" channels deliberately manipulate their viewers. I argue that they simply give the viewers what they want to get them to watch. FOX know Biden falling will get more hits than a story about Fauci having to explain (again) to Rand Paul that Rand Paul is an idiot. CNN knows that a story about an outbreak of Covid at Mar A Lago will get more views that a story about Biden accidentally calling Harris "President" during a speech. And I am posting this story in this thread to show that "journalism" we is in the toilet when it is thrown in with things like this. Alleged "investigative reporting" aired on a "news channel". And sometimes the "news channel" does indeed intend to mislead their viewers. OAN knew what their viewer wanted to hear. The people behind the "story" knew OAN had viewers that would be receptive to it whether it was true or not. Passing it off as documentary on a news channel only reinforced what viewers "knew" or "believed" and then they spread it like so much of a virus in Florida. Sometimes it is hard to separate the real news from the propaganda. That doesn't mean real news, real journalism isn't out there. https://www.businessinsider.com/russian-proxies-helped-produce-documentary-oan-intelligence-report-2021-3 Quote:Russian proxies 'helped produce a documentary that aired on a US television network' last year, intelligence report says That members of the Trump administration or his allies were dumb enough/corrupt enough to use it/back it is another story. RE: Journalism is in the Toilet - GMDino - 03-22-2021 Here is another example. (Second tweet)
Not sure how that got messed up that quickly but she corrected it immediately. RE: Journalism is in the Toilet - GMDino - 03-22-2021 Here's another...minus a correction. Just a deliberate misleading.
RE: Journalism is in the Toilet - GMDino - 03-24-2021 Another example. A created story by FOX News with no substance just for the hits. https://www.rawstory.com/harris-salute/ [/url] Quote:Experts slam Fox News for wrongly attacking VP Harris for ‘repeatedly failing to salute military’ RE: Journalism is in the Toilet - Mickeypoo - 03-24-2021 And................This is the same stuff that was done to Trump. Both sides hate each other and do this crap to each other. It's only going to get worse. RE: Journalism is in the Toilet - Mickeypoo - 03-24-2021 [attachment=1024] RE: Journalism is in the Toilet - Dill - 03-25-2021 (03-24-2021, 02:29 PM)Mickeypoo Wrote: And................This is the same stuff that was done to Trump. Both sides hate each other and do this crap to each other. It's only going to get worse. "Stuff" may now be done to Harris, at the rhetorical level, but the provocation is hardly the same. She has not called war heroes "losers" or denigrated the service of POWs. We are going back to the Obama era when the RWNM were calling out the President mostly for nothing --and it worked for their audience. Will it work this time around? I am less sure it can, given Trump's legacy. RE: Journalism is in the Toilet - Sociopathicsteelerfan - 03-25-2021 (03-25-2021, 11:30 AM)Dill Wrote: "Stuff" may now be done to Harris, at the rhetorical level, but the provocation is hardly the same. I do not believe this was ever substantiated. Trump did enough dumb shit without resorting to dodgy stories to skewer him. RE: Journalism is in the Toilet - GMDino - 03-25-2021 (03-25-2021, 11:30 AM)Dill Wrote: "Stuff" may now be done to Harris, at the rhetorical level, but the provocation is hardly the same. The right wing media can't get anything to stick with these guys but it doesn't mean they won't stop trying. Trump had the same problem during the election. His tried and true ways of attacking didn't work and he was lost. All we are left with are the conspiracies and half-truths that his supporters continue to spread as gospel because they believed Trump above all else. For four years plus Trump did or said something and if it was even repeated it was attacked as "fake news" or being biased against him. Even when there was video and a direct quote. Substantive things, not just Melania's coat. Windmills cause cancer (they say), very fine people on both sides, the virus will just disappear. DJT loves attention and he loves chaos. He could deliberately say something to start a fight so he could play the victim or in other instances he could just be uninformed and then double down that he's the only one smart enough to understand. Contrasted to the scandals of Obama's tan suit, the way he held a gun, Michelle baring her shoulders or not dressing "right" on the way to vacation. Contrasted with Harris doesn't salute and Biden's dog bit someone. There will be actual issues that will get talked about but they have to fill 24 hour news cycles and that gives too much time to the BS. Especially when it is a "news" company like Newsmax or OAN that is desperately trying to grab a very specific audience. News for clicks. And again, to me, that is separate from "journalism". RE: Journalism is in the Toilet - Dill - 03-25-2021 (03-25-2021, 11:53 AM)Sociopathicsteelerfan Wrote: Dill Wrote:"Stuff" may now be done to Harris, at the rhetorical level, but the provocation is hardly the same. You may be referring to the Atlantic Monthly article "Trump: Americans Who Died in Wars Are 'Losers' and "Suckers.'" E.g., he complained because the DHS ordered flags be flown at half mast for McCain, whom he called a "loser." Citing 4 unnamed sources, the reporter, Jeffrey Goldberg, said that Trump complained about celebrating war dead and wounded, whom he called "losers." https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2020/09/trump-americans-who-died-at-war-are-losers-and-suckers/615997/ A story apparently corroborated by other reporters: https://apnews.com/article/b823f2c285641a4a09a96a0b195636ed. https://www.vox.com/2020/9/4/21422733/atlantic-trump-military-suckers-losers-explained Four reputable news outlets, all citing anonymous sources, report President Donald Trump disparaged US troops, veterans, and missing service members, with several outlets reporting he has called military members “losers.” Yet the president, along with current and former staff on the record, continues to dispute those stories. The loser story is "dodgy" to the degree that Trump, Sarah Sanders, Dan Scavino (dept. chief of staff) and his chauffer disputed it as "fake news." Nothing dodgy about the following, though. And it is to this that my Harris comment refers. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=541Cg2Jnb8s&t=202s Minute 1:44 Trump doesn't like McCain because he does not like "Losers." When his interviewer objects McCain is a war hero, Trump first says he is NOT a war hero, then stipulates that he is a hero only because he was captured. "I like people who weren't captured, I hate to tell ya'." Trump responds. The implication is that people captured in combat have failed, not done their duty, "lost." Several times after this, Trump claimed he never called McCain a loser. All of this, as my post says, is on completely different level from anything said or done by Biden or Harris, who honor those who served their country, and most especially those who gave their lives for it. RE: Journalism is in the Toilet - Dill - 03-25-2021 (03-25-2021, 12:06 PM)GMDino Wrote: The right wing media can't get anything to stick with these guys but it doesn't mean they won't stop trying. Trump had the same problem during the election. His tried and true ways of attacking didn't work and he was lost. All we are left with are the conspiracies and half-truths that his supporters continue to spread as gospel because they believed Trump above all else. Yeah, the LEVEL of opprobrium was probably near the same against Obama and Hillary, as against Trump, but the GROUND of the complaints was very different. That's what people miss when they just compare the rhetoric. RE: Journalism is in the Toilet - Sociopathicsteelerfan - 03-25-2021 (03-25-2021, 02:50 PM)Dill Wrote: You may be referring to the Atlantic Monthly article "Trump: Americans Who Died in Wars Are 'Losers' and "Suckers.'" E.g., he complained because the DHS ordered flags be flown at half mast for McCain, whom he called a "loser." Citing 4 unnamed sources, the reporter, Jeffrey Goldberg, said that Trump complained about celebrating war dead and wounded, whom he called "losers." https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2020/09/trump-americans-who-died-at-war-are-losers-and-suckers/615997/ Yeah, there's a reason I didn't dispute what he said about McCain in the post you quoted. As for the Normandy comments alleged to have been made, I'm going to take the word of people willing to go on the record over "anonymous source" the vast majority of the time. His remarks about McCain are specific to McCain, trying to ascribe any deeper meaning to it rather gives Trump more credit than he deserves. If someone vexes him he's going to make an underhanded and crude comment about them. I don't think it goes any deeper than that. RE: Journalism is in the Toilet - Dill - 03-25-2021 (03-25-2021, 03:07 PM)Sociopathicsteelerfan Wrote: Yeah, there's a reason I didn't dispute what he said about McCain in the post you quoted. As for the Normandy comments alleged to have been made, I'm going to take the word of people willing to go on the record over "anonymous source" the vast majority of the time. His remarks about McCain are specific to McCain, trying to ascribe any deeper meaning to it rather gives Trump more credit than he deserves. If someone vexes him he's going to make an underhanded and crude comment about them. I don't think it goes any deeper than that. I'm not going to take the word of Trump over that of a number of respected journalists, and little is changed for me when those willing to "go on record" are Trump cronies. The alleged behavior is consistent with other indicators of attitude towards the military--most especially the POW comments aimed at McCain. The bolded might apply to something like Trump's unnecessarily pointing out that McCain was last in his graduating class. One can disparage McCain's academic record without smearing other vets. And one might dismiss it as just another of Trump's cruel comments. But the denial of "hero" status on POW grounds is rather different. One cannot denigrate McCain's POW status without disparaging all POWs. Also, that doesn't sound like something made up on the spot, tailored for the moment and the man, given the risk of alienating military voters and their families. That has the ring of "shithole countries," the "Kung flu" and "Fake news"--the expression of a long held world view regarding evaluating classes of people. In any case, I don't want to move beyond the point of my post, which was that Harris has said/done nothing which remotely nears this kind of casual insult to the military, though there may be some attempt by the right wing media to elevate criticism of her to that level. RE: Journalism is in the Toilet - Sociopathicsteelerfan - 03-25-2021 (03-25-2021, 03:27 PM)Dill Wrote: I'm not going to take the word of Trump over that of a number of respected journalists, and little is changed for me when those willing to "go on record" are Trump cronies. The alleged behavior is consistent with other indicators of attitude towards the military--most especially the POW comments aimed at McCain. Yeah, we just have different opinions on that story. I agree that the Harris thing was overblown/made up. Much like Trump there's plenty of reasons to dislike Harris without making things up or blowing them out of proportion. |