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RE: LE Leaks show treatment of pro BLM protestors vs conservative militias - Sociopathicsteelerfan - 02-04-2021 (02-04-2021, 08:39 AM)Belsnickel Wrote: So, more developments in the Rittenhouse saga. Apparently, he provided an incorrect address to the courts and they cannot find him. His behavior and conduct after the incident has zero bearing on the facts of the case or the validity of his self defense argument. That being said, he's certainly conducting himself like an ass. I don't think being made a hero by a certain segment of the population was a good thing for this kid. RE: LE Leaks show treatment of pro BLM protestors vs conservative militias - Belsnickel - 02-04-2021 (02-04-2021, 06:42 PM)Sociopathicsteelerfan Wrote: His behavior and conduct after the incident has zero bearing on the facts of the case or the validity of his self defense argument. That being said, he's certainly conducting himself like an ass. I don't think being made a hero by a certain segment of the population was a good thing for this kid. You and I know it doesn't change the facts of the case, but I say it isn't helping him because the optics of it all to a jury will be damaging. RE: LE Leaks show treatment of pro BLM protestors vs conservative militias - Sociopathicsteelerfan - 02-04-2021 (02-04-2021, 09:20 PM)Belsnickel Wrote: You and I know it doesn't change the facts of the case, but I say it isn't helping him because the optics of it all to a jury will be damaging. Absolutely, which is why I've always said if you're not guilty go with a bench trial, all day every day. RE: LE Leaks show treatment of pro BLM protestors vs conservative militias - Belsnickel - 02-04-2021 (02-04-2021, 09:32 PM)Sociopathicsteelerfan Wrote: Absolutely, which is why I've always said if you're not guilty go with a bench trial, all day every day. I almost said in my post that he should request a bench trial at this point. We're on the same page, for sure. My only concern if I were him is if the judge gets pissed off enough at him that it could impact things. I know most jurists will still hold to the law but maybe just make some snarky comments in the documents, but everyone is human. RE: LE Leaks show treatment of pro BLM protestors vs conservative militias - Nately120 - 02-04-2021 (02-04-2021, 09:32 PM)Sociopathicsteelerfan Wrote: Absolutely, which is why I've always said if you're not guilty go with a bench trial, all day every day. I'm no law-talking guy, but I can't imagine how a jury of 12 could NOT include at least one person who thinks the guy is a hero. Own the libs, vote not guilty. RE: LE Leaks show treatment of pro BLM protestors vs conservative militias - Sociopathicsteelerfan - 02-04-2021 (02-04-2021, 09:34 PM)Belsnickel Wrote: I almost said in my post that he should request a bench trial at this point. We're on the same page, for sure. My only concern if I were him is if the judge gets pissed off enough at him that it could impact things. I know most jurists will still hold to the law but maybe just make some snarky comments in the documents, but everyone is human. Bench officers are human too, and some of them I've worked with can be downright nasty. I will say that I've seen very few instances when I thought one went way outside the scope of the law and in every instance but a few it was on the punitive side. That being said, a judge will be far less likely to be swayed by emotion than a jury, as we both agree. (02-04-2021, 10:02 PM)Nately120 Wrote: I'm no law-talking guy, but I can't imagine how a jury of 12 could NOT include at least one person who thinks the guy is a hero. Own the libs, vote not guilty. You're ignoring the voir dire process. The DA is going to nuke anyone giving the slightest appearance of being even a little so inclined with preemptory challenges. You are correct that it only takes one, but they're going to do their best to make sure no one obvious gets on that jury, if a jury trial happens. RE: LE Leaks show treatment of pro BLM protestors vs conservative militias - Belsnickel - 02-05-2021 (02-04-2021, 11:02 PM)Sociopathicsteelerfan Wrote: Bench officers are human too, and some of them I've worked with can be downright nasty. I will say that I've seen very few instances when I thought one went way outside the scope of the law and in every instance but a few it was on the punitive side. That being said, a judge will be far less likely to be swayed by emotion than a jury, as we both agree. While I am very much on the side of self-defense for Rittenhouse, he will be found guilty for some of the charges because of the whole illegal possession of a firearm situation. In addition, there can be a very convincing argument made that he was the initiator (not saying I agree with that argument, but it can be made) and it could be more likely to convince the judge when he has been acting like a little shit and been hanging out with white supremacist militia types. (02-04-2021, 11:02 PM)Sociopathicsteelerfan Wrote: You're ignoring the voir dire process. The DA is going to nuke anyone giving the slightest appearance of being even a little so inclined with preemptory challenges. You are correct that it only takes one, but they're going to do their best to make sure no one obvious gets on that jury, if a jury trial happens. Not only that, but it takes only one to hang a jury. That can often mean a retrial. So even if there is one in the mix it doesn't automatically mean it will get Rittenhouse off the hook. RE: LE Leaks show treatment of pro BLM protestors vs conservative militias - Nately120 - 02-05-2021 (02-04-2021, 11:02 PM)Sociopathicsteelerfan Wrote: Bench officers are human too, and some of them I've worked with can be downright nasty. I will say that I've seen very few instances when I thought one went way outside the scope of the law and in every instance but a few it was on the punitive side. That being said, a judge will be far less likely to be swayed by emotion than a jury, as we both agree. I'd argue if there isn't at least 1 person out of 12 who thinks he's a hero who was attacked by terrorist leftists then it isn't truly a jury of his peers. 8.3% of peoole have to be on his side, but it's just a hypothetical. RE: LE Leaks show treatment of pro BLM protestors vs conservative militias - Sociopathicsteelerfan - 02-05-2021 (02-05-2021, 07:33 AM)Belsnickel Wrote: While I am very much on the side of self-defense for Rittenhouse, he will be found guilty for some of the charges because of the whole illegal possession of a firearm situation. He absolutely should be found guilty of illegally acquiring and possessing a firearm. But, as you and I know, this has no bearing on his self defense claim at all. Quote:In addition, there can be a very convincing argument made that he was the initiator (not saying I agree with that argument, but it can be made) and it could be more likely to convince the judge when he has been acting like a little shit and been hanging out with white supremacist militia types. I agree an argument can be made, I don't think it's convincing at all. Stopping someone from pushing a burning dumpster into a gas station is not provocation to assault that person. In any other situation that act would be viewed as heroic. Quote:Not only that, but it takes only one to hang a jury. That can often mean a retrial. So even if there is one in the mix it doesn't automatically mean it will get Rittenhouse off the hook. Yeah, no way the DA lets this go after a single hung jury. This is a political prosecution to begin with, so they won't let it go in the interests of justice. Rittenhouse has a self defense argument wet dream scenario. Virtually everything is on film and completely exonerates him. The fact that murder charges were filed at all really makes me disappointed in the DA of that county. But being disappointed with DA's seems to be the norm of late. RE: LE Leaks show treatment of pro BLM protestors vs conservative militias - Sociopathicsteelerfan - 02-05-2021 (02-05-2021, 09:22 AM)Nately120 Wrote: I'd argue if there isn't at least 1 person out of 12 who thinks he's a hero who was attacked by terrorist leftists then it isn't truly a jury of his peers. You should watch some videos on the voir dire process and how much they basically have it down to a science. Of course the defense has their measure of preemptory challenges as well. RE: LE Leaks show treatment of pro BLM protestors vs conservative militias - Nately120 - 02-05-2021 (02-05-2021, 12:46 PM)Sociopathicsteelerfan Wrote: You should watch some videos on the voir dire process and how much they basically have it down to a science. Of course the defense has their measure of preemptory challenges as well. I was called for jury duty for a murder trial and the prosecution used one of his strikes to remove me in the basis of my having an advanced degree in psychology. I was a bit disappointed but also amused by it all. RE: LE Leaks show treatment of pro BLM protestors vs conservative militias - Sociopathicsteelerfan - 02-05-2021 (02-05-2021, 01:26 PM)Nately120 Wrote: I was called for jury duty for a murder trial and the prosecution used one of his strikes to remove me in the basis of my having an advanced degree in psychology. Interesting. I'd be very intrigued to know what element of their case made them exclude you. Or they could have thought with your "touchy feely" degree you'd be a let 'em go liberal. xD RE: LE Leaks show treatment of pro BLM protestors vs conservative militias - GMDino - 02-05-2021 (02-05-2021, 01:26 PM)Nately120 Wrote: I was called for jury duty for a murder trial and the prosecution used one of his strikes to remove me in the basis of my having an advanced degree in psychology. Only time I got called it was "Jury Celebration Week" or some such thing. We had coffee and donuts every morning. I got called for the first case the first day. We went out after we were seated. Came back and they had reached a plea deal. I didn't even have my name called until the last case on the last day...which would have meant I was there longer than the couple days we were called for if I got on the jury. Originally I wasn't in the box and then a couple got removed for personal reasons. I got on the jury for about 15 minutes and then the I got removed because I had two relatives that worked in law enforcement (one in a prison). Can't say I was disappointed because I didn't want to miss any more work, but the case was pretty interesting. The entire few days was interesting as I love courtroom stuff. I enjoyed the "behind the scenes" view I got even if it was very limited. Oh and turned out one of my cousins was there the same week along with someone my wife graduated with so we just hung out for a couple days! RE: LE Leaks show treatment of pro BLM protestors vs conservative militias - Nately120 - 02-05-2021 (02-05-2021, 01:31 PM)Sociopathicsteelerfan Wrote: Interesting. I'd be very intrigued to know what element of their case made them exclude you. Or they could have thought with your "touchy feely" degree you'd be a let 'em go liberal. xD Prosecution seemed to think my degree would mean I wouldn't listen to their experts where I argued having an advanced degree in psychology made me more likely to examine the viewpoints of others in the field. The bottom line was likely that I was in my mid 20s in a county that skewed older and very red so it was easier to just get me out of there. RE: LE Leaks show treatment of pro BLM protestors vs conservative militias - Forever Spinning Vinyl - 02-05-2021 George Carlin on getting out of jury duty "I know I'll be a good juror because I can spot a guilty person like that!" *snaps finger* RE: LE Leaks show treatment of pro BLM protestors vs conservative militias - GMDino - 02-17-2021 https://www.latimes.com/california/story/2021-02-17/lapd-other-police-agencies-struggle-with-where-to-draw-the-line-with-political-extremism-in-their-ranks Quote:Law enforcement confronts an old threat: far-right extremism in the ranks. ‘Swift action must be taken’ RE: LE Leaks show treatment of pro BLM protestors vs conservative militias - TheLeonardLeap - 02-17-2021 (02-04-2021, 11:02 PM)Sociopathicsteelerfan Wrote: That being said, a judge will be far less likely to be swayed by emotion than a jury, as we both agree. So long as you're not in Georgia. https://www.ajc.com/blog/legal/georgia-judge-loses-over-vulgar-courtroom-exchange/HdGhOUUitjOngl6G6g3Q6K/ (Seriously NSFW, but hilarious.) RE: LE Leaks show treatment of pro BLM protestors vs conservative militias - Rotobeast - 02-18-2021 (02-05-2021, 03:15 PM)Forever Spinning Vinyl Wrote: George Carlin on getting out of jury duty Just talk about Jury Nullification. RE: LE Leaks show treatment of pro BLM protestors vs conservative militias - Belsnickel - 02-18-2021 (02-18-2021, 03:21 PM)Rotobeast Wrote: Just talk about Jury Nullification. I tell them that my religious upbringing in a peace church taught me that the only judge of man is God. RE: LE Leaks show treatment of pro BLM protestors vs conservative militias - Dill - 02-18-2021 (02-17-2021, 05:39 PM)TheLeonardLeap Wrote: So long as you're not in Georgia. During the hearing, Allen told Durham he would murder his whole family. “I’ll cut your children up into pieces,” Allen said. “I’ll knock their brains out with a (expletive) hammer and feed them to you. … The babies will be going, ‘Daddy, daddy, help me.’" Love the part where judge Durham is telling him to "Jack off right now!" Looks like Durham finally got censured. https://www.ajc.com/news/local/judge-criticized-for-vulgar-courtoom-exchange/c7NFfC36EO4FJoCbkuRYQJ/ |