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RE: Republicans do not want the country to know what is in their health care bill. - GMDino - 06-23-2017 http://www.npr.org/sections/health-shots/2017/06/22/533942041/who-wins-who-loses-with-senate-health-care-bill Quote:CHART: Who Wins, Who Loses With Senate Health Care Bill RE: Republicans do not want the country to know what is in their health care bill. - michaelsean - 06-23-2017 (06-23-2017, 03:18 PM)GMDino Wrote: http://www.npr.org/sections/health-shots/2017/06/22/533942041/who-wins-who-loses-with-senate-health-care-bill Looks like they don't have the votes as of now. RE: Republicans do not want the country to know what is in their health care bill. - GMDino - 06-23-2017 (06-23-2017, 03:32 PM)michaelsean Wrote: Looks like they don't have the votes as of now. Well some on the right are holding out for it to be worse for the american citizens. They'll probably settle for just very bad when push comes to shove. ![]() RE: Republicans do not want the country to know what is in their health care bill. - oncemoreuntothejimbreech - 06-23-2017 (06-23-2017, 03:18 PM)GMDino Wrote: http://www.npr.org/sections/health-shots/2017/06/22/533942041/who-wins-who-loses-with-senate-health-care-bill In other words, we are going to stop paying for health insurance with subsidies for young healthy people who are mandated to buy health insurance required by law to cover certain benefits because we are going to give these lower income families tax credits because we think they will voluntarily buy insurance with less coverage we just said they don't need. These idiots are dumber than I thought. RE: Republicans do not want the country to know what is in their health care bill. - michaelsean - 06-23-2017 (06-23-2017, 05:03 PM)oncemoreuntothejimbreech Wrote: In other words, we are going to stop paying for health insurance with subsidies for young healthy people who are mandated to buy health insurance required by law to cover certain benefits because we are going to give these lower income families tax credits because we think they will voluntarily buy insurance with less coverage we just said they don't need. ??? I don't see where you got that. It seems like they are encouraging them to buy policies that don't include coverage they don't need. I could have misunderstood,but that's what it seemed to me. RE: Republicans do not want the country to know what is in their health care bill. - Dill - 06-23-2017 (06-23-2017, 05:03 PM)oncemoreuntothejimbreech Wrote: In other words, we are going to stop paying for health insurance with subsidies for young healthy people who are mandated to buy health insurance required by law to cover certain benefits because we are going to give these lower income families tax credits because we think they will voluntarily buy insurance with less coverage we just said they don't need. I don't think they are dumb at all Oncemore. Think of the health care bill as an engine to cut taxes on the very wealthy. Everyone is talking about "provisions" and "tax credits" and how "choices" are given back to the middle class and young people who don't want insurance. The Republican Senators are banking on the Trump base not really caring about the secrecy and rush to ratify. They could be right about that, but I don't think it will work because resistance is too great in purple districts. But it's not a stupid gamble. RE: Republicans do not want the country to know what is in their health care bill. - oncemoreuntothejimbreech - 06-23-2017 (06-23-2017, 05:17 PM)michaelsean Wrote: ??? I don't see where you got that. It seems like they are encouraging them to buy policies that don't include coverage they don't need. I could have misunderstood,but that's what it seemed to me. What coverage is it that they don't need? I've never purchased a health insurance policy "ala carte," so to speak, where I was able to pick and choose what was and wasn't in the policy. My experience has been choosing between 1-3 policies and the amount of the deductible. McConnell is claiming they aren't going to force young people to buy insurance they don't need with subsidies because he hopes the same young people will voluntarily purchase health insurance with tax credits. If they don't need health insurance it doesn't matter if they get a subsidy or a tax credit, they still don't need health insurance. Until they do. At least with the mandate they are paying a tax penalty which can be used to lower the cost of the insurance pool. If the don't buy insurance or pay the penalty it won't lower the cost of the pool despite McConnell's claim it will make the pools healthier and cheaper. His statements reveal a fundamental lack of understanding how this works. RE: Republicans do not want the country to know what is in their health care bill. - oncemoreuntothejimbreech - 06-23-2017 (06-23-2017, 05:31 PM)Dill Wrote: I don't think they are dumb at all Oncemore. Here's a thing about Obamacare most don't seem to understand. If you're in poverty you qualify for Medicaid. The people who need Obamacare are blue collar, working class Americans who aren't poor enough to get Medicaid, aren't making enough money to purchase health insurance on their own, or don't have a good enough job to offer health insurance. That can be verified at the Kaiser Foundation. So these people aren't paying much in taxes. Any tax credits they do get won't be enough to buy health insurance and it will probably work like the Earned Income Credit they will claim on their taxes at the end of the year. Plus the EIC is one of those dirty "entitlement" programs Republicans complain about. So it will be one more entitlement programs Republicans will want to cut in the future. RE: Republicans do not want the country to know what is in their health care bill. - ballsofsteel - 06-23-2017 If you watch video back from 2009-2010 everything the Republicans were whining about concerning Obama care, they are doing the same thing now and in some cases worse. What a bunch of hypocrites. RE: Republicans do not want the country to know what is in their health care bill. - GMDino - 06-25-2017 https://qz.com/1013409/the-senate-health-care-bill-literally-omits-women-and-mothers-except-to-talk-about-abortion-or-work-requirements/ Quote:The word “women” literally never appears in the US Senate’s 142-page health-care bill It's not even a healthcare bill. It's a tax cut and abortion bill. RE: Republicans do not want the country to know what is in their health care bill. - samhain - 06-25-2017 (06-22-2017, 03:50 PM)Belsnickel Wrote: Anyone seen the images of wheelchair bound protestors being physically removed from outside McConnell's office? I'd like to know more about this, but haven't found an unbiased source for the story. I've just seen the images posted online and some left-wing reporting. Man. I wonder if security went all John Goodman from the Big Lebowski on them. "Dude, this guy is a fake. A f****** goldbricker. This guy f****** walks." RE: Republicans do not want the country to know what is in their health care bill. - StLucieBengal - 06-25-2017 Just want to get on the record as hoping this fails. I want a full repeal and replace it with nothing . Just start rolling back regulations on the insurance industry and see what trying freedom looks like.... RE: Republicans do not want the country to know what is in their health care bill. - StLucieBengal - 06-25-2017 I just wish we would go one or the other..... either total freedom or single payer. I am tired of these half measures. We either stand for freedom in this country or we don't.... never understood why we are so quick to chase europe and other socialized countries in healthcare. I want the same for the minimum wage debate. Either no min wage or a mincome. At least with a mincome we can dump social security, welfare, and all that nonsense. RE: Republicans do not want the country to know what is in their health care bill. - oncemoreuntothejimbreech - 06-26-2017 (06-25-2017, 11:42 PM)StLucieBengal Wrote: Just want to get on the record as hoping this fails. I want a full repeal and replace it with nothing . Just start rolling back regulations on the insurance industry and see what trying freedom looks like.... ![]() RE: Republicans do not want the country to know what is in their health care bill. - StLucieBengal - 06-26-2017 (06-26-2017, 12:03 AM)oncemoreuntothejimbreech Wrote: RE: Republicans do not want the country to know what is in their health care bill. - oncemoreuntothejimbreech - 06-26-2017 (06-26-2017, 01:14 AM)StLucieBengal Wrote: That's scary in the same sense Reefer Madness is scary. It's terrifying people are gullible enough to believe it. Medicare doesn't tell doctors where they can live, but Blue Cross Blue Shield can tell you which doctor is or isn't in network. And I have to argue with an administrator on the phone why I need to order an abdominal CT scan and not an abdominal US they say I have to order first when they aren't qualified to order either test. RE: Republicans do not want the country to know what is in their health care bill. - StLucieBengal - 06-26-2017 (06-26-2017, 01:48 AM)oncemoreuntothejimbreech Wrote: That's scary in the same sense Reefer Madness is scary. It's terrifying people are gullible enough to believe it. What makes you think single payer would be better? You think the government is going to pay for all this crazy stuff? RE: Republicans do not want the country to know what is in their health care bill. - GMDino - 06-26-2017 (06-25-2017, 11:46 PM)StLucieBengal Wrote: I just wish we would go one or the other..... either total freedom or single payer. ![]() (06-26-2017, 02:13 AM)StLucieBengal Wrote: What makes you think single payer would be better? You think the government is going to pay for all this crazy stuff? ![]() It allows for a better negotiation of prices. So yes, they will pay. And it will be much less. And with much less of a taxing of it's citizens. RE: Republicans do not want the country to know what is in their health care bill. - oncemoreuntothejimbreech - 06-26-2017 (06-26-2017, 02:13 AM)StLucieBengal Wrote: What makes you think single payer would be better? You think the government is going to pay for all this crazy stuff? What "crazy stuff"? RE: Republicans do not want the country to know what is in their health care bill. - oncemoreuntothejimbreech - 06-26-2017 (06-26-2017, 02:13 AM)StLucieBengal Wrote: What makes you think single payer would be better? You think the government is going to pay for all this crazy stuff? You think private insurance pays for all this "crazy stuff"? LOL |