(02-15-2018, 01:04 PM)BmorePat87 Wrote: As the Senate is close to passing a bill on DACA, Trump is threatening to veto it



https://www.axios.com/trump-threatens-veto-on-immigration-deal1518567345-e8f00a68-9185-47fa-85f0-4722f56a4e39.html


So does he think....

(02-14-2018, 02:27 PM)Griever Wrote: can we get rid of ivankas parents? since they came over due to "chain migration"

or is it different because they are white

Quote:The White House is happy to discuss its harsh immigration policies that have been seen breaking up families just so long as you don't make it personal.



Amid widely circulating social media posts suggesting that Melania Trump's parents are able to live in the U.S. permanently thanks to "chain migration" — a derogatory term describing how immigrants bring their extended family into the country — the Washington Post attempted to learn the immigration status of Viktor and Amalija Knavs only to have the White House shut down any possible clarification.


"I don't comment on her parents, as they live private lives and are not part of the administration," said Stephanie Grisham, the first lady's spokeswoman.


Reports suggest the Knavs have been living in the country for a year, during which time they have stayed at the White House, Mar-a-Lago, Trump Tower and Trump National Golf Club in Bedminster, N.J., as they help look after Donald and Melania Trump's son Barron.

Upon speaking with immigration experts, the Washington Post learned that Viktor and Amalija Knavs could be in the country legally thanks to an extended tourist visa or a visa given to parents of a U.S. citizen, which the Trump administration supposedly wants to eliminate as it ends "extended-family chain migration."


Additionally, Melania's parents could have requested parole into the country or they could be in the country on student visas.

Mysteriously though, Grisham shot down each of these explanations for how the retired textile factory worker and her former Yugoslav Communist Party member husband continue to remain in America.



"None of those options apply," she said.

(02-15-2018, 01:50 PM)GMDino Wrote: Melania's parents too.

https://www.aol.com/article/news/2018/02/14/white-house-wont-reveal-immigration-status-of-melanias-parents/23361643/

(02-15-2018, 02:01 PM)michaelsean Wrote: So....nothing.

And why is "chain migration" derogatory?

Quote:Additionally, Melania's parents could have requested parole into the country or they could be in the country on student visas.


Mysteriously though, Grisham shot down each of these explanations for how the retired textile factory worker and her former Yugoslav Communist Party member husband continue to remain in America.



"None of those options apply," she said.

(02-14-2018, 02:27 PM)Griever Wrote: can we get rid of ivankas parents? since they came over due to "chain migration"

or is it different because they are white

(02-15-2018, 02:05 PM)GMDino Wrote: So something.



because it is called "Family reunification".

Chain migration is a the prefered white nationalist term.

(02-15-2018, 01:25 PM)StLucieBengal Wrote: Ivanka’s Parents did not come via chain migration.   Her father is a USC and her mother was a primary applicant.  

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Now you also probably meant Ivana.... which is ivanka’s mother.   And while you don’t seem to understand chain migration either.   Parents would still be able to come via the Cotton/Miller plan.   It’s the cousins, aunts, and uncles they wouldn’t be able to come.

(02-15-2018, 02:11 PM)CKwi88 Wrote: Pretty sure aunts uncles and cousins already can't.

https://www.immihelp.com/greencard/familybasedimmigration/categories.html

(02-15-2018, 02:11 PM)StLucieBengal Wrote: I have been a member for years in several immigration forums and chain migration is the term used by everyone.   And these aren’t white nationalists on these forums.  

Family reunification is just a politicized term made up by leftists to sound better in the media.

(02-15-2018, 02:26 PM)Belsnickel Wrote: Chain migration is a politicized term, as well. If we're going to use a more neutral term, we ought to use what is in the law, which is typically "family sponsorship" or "family-based migration." Both "chain migration" and "family reunification" are currently being used in a weaponized fashion in the public discourse with propagandic intentions.

(02-15-2018, 02:30 PM)StLucieBengal Wrote: For years everyone on these forums have used chain migration. Family migration is also used.

(02-15-2018, 02:05 PM)GMDino Wrote: So something.



because it is called "Family reunification".

Chain migration is a the prefered white nationalist term.

(02-15-2018, 02:37 PM)Belsnickel Wrote: I understand that. However, the implications and inferences regarding word choice can change given the societal context the conversation is taking place in. As the article I linked to points out, it was considered a dry, neutral, academic term for decades. The current political environment has changed this, though, and being cognizant of that alteration can help us adjust our language to have more productive conversations on the topic. When words that have a political charge behind them, words that are used in propaganda, are inserted into conversations it often results in people more firmly entrenching themselves in their per-determined positions. It makes us less receptive to information, even if it is more logical or factual than what we come to the conversation with.

(02-15-2018, 02:37 PM)Belsnickel Wrote: I understand that. However, the implications and inferences regarding word choice can change given the societal context the conversation is taking place in. As the article I linked to points out, it was considered a dry, neutral, academic term for decades. The current political environment has changed this, though, and being cognizant of that alteration can help us adjust our language to have more productive conversations on the topic. When words that have a political charge behind them, words that are used in propaganda, are inserted into conversations it often results in people more firmly entrenching themselves in their per-determined positions. It makes us less receptive to information, even if it is more logical or factual than what we come to the conversation with.

(02-15-2018, 03:48 PM)bfine32 Wrote: Who knew the term Chain Migration was racist?

(02-15-2018, 03:58 PM)GMDino Wrote: I just learned it within the past few months.

A lot of people knew that racist prefer that term as a dog whistle to their followers.

Glad to educate those that didn't so they could stop using it.

(02-15-2018, 03:58 PM)GMDino Wrote: I just learned it within the past few months.

A lot of people knew that racist prefer that term as a dog whistle to their followers.

Glad to educate those that didn't so they could stop using it.