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RE: Bad Boys II - SunsetBengal - 05-14-2018 (05-14-2018, 07:40 PM)fredtoast Wrote: So your suggestion is to never try to get away from or defend yourself against a deadly snake? I didn't say any of that. Stop putting words into people's mouths. Re-read the post. RE: Bad Boys II - fredtoast - 05-14-2018 (05-14-2018, 07:41 PM)SunsetBengal Wrote: I didn't say any of that. Stop putting words into people's mouths. I re-read it. I don't get the point. It seems like you are claiming that people who get bitten by snakes bring it on themselves just like people who get beaten up by police. What did you mean to say? RE: Bad Boys II - Sociopathicsteelerfan - 05-14-2018 (05-14-2018, 07:49 PM)fredtoast Wrote: I re-read it. I don't get the point. It seems like you are claiming that people who get bitten by snakes bring it on themselves just like people who get beaten up by police. He was clearly stating that an LEO will tailor their response based on the perceived threat. A 70 old man will be treated differently than a 20 year old dude in similar circumstances. Also, that training and experience inform these decisions. His point is not a complicated one. RE: Bad Boys II - SunsetBengal - 05-14-2018 (05-14-2018, 07:49 PM)fredtoast Wrote: I re-read it. I don't get the point. It seems like you are claiming that people who get bitten by snakes bring it on themselves just like people who get beaten up by police. I'm saying, let's see what transpired with the young man in the video, prior to the officer getting physical with him, before we go making judgements and accusations of profiling. I feel confident that the young man had more than one opportunity to leave the situation gracefully, before it became ugly. RE: Bad Boys II - bfine32 - 05-14-2018 There damn sure is no shortage of experts in this forum that knows the proper way to control a suspect that refuses to cooperate. Before anyone thinks they have a point. His lack of cooperation is evident in the video. RE: Bad Boys II - fredtoast - 05-14-2018 (05-14-2018, 07:54 PM)SunsetBengal Wrote: I'm saying, let's see what transpired with the young man in the video, prior to the officer getting physical with him, before we go making judgements and accusations of profiling. So basically... "Don't make any judgements without knowing more facts unless you are going to be like me and claim the officer did nothing wrong without knowing more facts." RE: Bad Boys II - fredtoast - 05-14-2018 (05-14-2018, 08:04 PM)bfine32 Wrote: There damn sure is no shortage of experts in this forum that knows the proper way to control a suspect that refuses to cooperate. So far SSF is the only one who said it was okay to grab him by the throat. Was that the right answer? RE: Bad Boys II - Sociopathicsteelerfan - 05-14-2018 (05-14-2018, 08:13 PM)fredtoast Wrote: So far SSF is the only one who said it was okay to grab him by the throat. Except I didn't say that. But don't let facts get in the way of your lies parade. Seriously, you lie more than GA9. You're making Dill very sad right now. RE: Bad Boys II - bfine32 - 05-14-2018 (05-14-2018, 08:13 PM)fredtoast Wrote: So far SSF is the only one who said it was okay to grab him by the throat. If you watch the video you will see that the Leo's hand went to his throat in the mist of a scuffle when dude was trying to break free. If grabbing him by the throat was the best/only way to keep him under control the Yes it is the right answer. What do you feel is the right answer? Surrender control? RE: Bad Boys II - SunsetBengal - 05-14-2018 (05-14-2018, 08:12 PM)fredtoast Wrote: So basically... No, and once again, don't put words in my mouth. I'm saying that folks like YOU shouldn't go rushing to judgement, based upon a few seconds of video. You don't know what led up to that moment. I've got a question for you. Are we supposed to excuse this young man from following directives either from the restaurant staff or the police, simply because of his race or sexual persuasion? Isn't the basic premise of equality that the same rules apply to all? There are no exceptions, simply because one person feels more "special" than the next. RE: Bad Boys II - PhilHos - 05-14-2018 (05-14-2018, 07:03 PM)fredtoast Wrote: And that is the problem in a nutshell.Honest question, fred, why, when someone makes a comment on this particular instance, you extrapolate that opinion to be the same for every other similar instance? Just because Sunset thinks what he does in THIS particular instance doesn't mean he will in EVERY instance. Sent from my LGLS775 using Tapatalk RE: Bad Boys II - GMDino - 05-14-2018 (05-14-2018, 08:04 PM)bfine32 Wrote: There damn sure is no shortage of experts in this forum that knows the proper way to control a suspect that refuses to cooperate. Oh! So that is evident but we don't know what the officer did before that to try and calmly handle the situation. If you say so. RE: Bad Boys II - bfine32 - 05-14-2018 (05-14-2018, 10:31 PM)GMDino Wrote: Oh! So that is evident but we don't know what the officer did before that to try and calmly handle the situation. We sure don't know what the officer did before that to try and calmly handle the situation by the video provided. Nor do we know what meal the kids ordered at Waffle House or when the Leo's last bowl movement was. But yes it is evident in the clip provided that the young man was not cooperative. Of course we can make assumptions if we choose to do so. As to the "if you say so" retort: Imitation is the best form of flattery. Unfortunately for you. You don't know when to use it. RE: Bad Boys II - GMDino - 05-14-2018 (05-14-2018, 10:42 PM)bfine32 Wrote: We sure don't know what the officer did before that to try and calmly handle the situation by the video provided. Nor do we know what meal the kids ordered at Waffle House or when the Leo's last bowl movement was. But yes it is evident in the clip provided that the young man was not cooperative. Nor do we know what the officer did before he had the citizen up against the wall about to choke him. We don't know if the citizen was mistreated and dared to speak up and "obey orders" which lead the officer to consider him "resisting". But apparently we CAN see his lack of cooperation is "evident". Some can assume while telling others not too apparently. (05-14-2018, 10:42 PM)bfine32 Wrote: As to the "if you say so" retort: Imitation is the best form of flattery. I have no idea what you mean. You're funny. RE: Bad Boys II - bfine32 - 05-14-2018 (05-14-2018, 10:46 PM)GMDino Wrote: Nor do we know what the officer did before he had the citizen up against the wall about to choke him. We don't know if the citizen was mistreated and dared to speak up and "obey orders" which lead the officer to consider him "resisting". But apparently we CAN see his lack of cooperation is "evident". I am unclear as to what assumption I am making. I'm simply going on what I see in the video. As to the rest: Don't worry; you're protected. RE: Bad Boys II - GMDino - 05-14-2018 I agree with the people who figured this was already covered by a law a long time ago.... https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/crime/new-law-kansas-cops-cant-have-sex-during-traffic-stops/ar-AAx85cA Quote:A new Kansas law makes it a crime for police to have sex with people they pull over for traffic violations or detain in criminal investigations. RE: Bad Boys II - fredtoast - 05-15-2018 (05-14-2018, 08:15 PM)Sociopathicsteelerfan Wrote: Except I didn't say that. But don't let facts get in the way of your lies parade. Seriously, you lie more than GA9. You're making Dill very sad right now. Sorry. I asked a question and I thought you answered it when you said you could grab a person by the throat without choking them. RE: Bad Boys II - Sociopathicsteelerfan - 05-15-2018 (05-15-2018, 12:42 PM)fredtoast Wrote: Sorry. Haha, no you're not. Quote:I asked a question and I thought you answered it when you said you could grab a person by the throat without choking them. I did. Now explain to the class how stating it is possible to grab someone by the throat without choking them is the same as saying it is OK to grab someone by the throat. Dig deep for those law school skills, Fred! Twist, lie and obfuscate. Without those three tactics you'd have nothing. RE: Bad Boys II - fredtoast - 05-15-2018 (05-15-2018, 01:02 PM)Sociopathicsteelerfan Wrote: I did. Now explain to the class how stating it is possible to grab someone by the throat without choking them is the same as saying it is OK to grab someone by the throat. Dig deep for those law school skills, Fred! When I ask someone a question and he responds with a qualifier I assume he is answering my question with that qualification. That is the way it works in normal conversation. But since I misunderstood you I apologize. So was this choking action by the officer correct? Is that what they are trained to do? RE: Bad Boys II - Sociopathicsteelerfan - 05-15-2018 (05-15-2018, 01:06 PM)fredtoast Wrote: When I ask someone a question and he responds with a qualifier I assume he is answering my question with that qualification. That is the way it works in normal conversation. I answered this question in the post you deliberately misconstrued. |