(09-10-2015, 05:33 PM)BmorePat87 Wrote: nothing about this post made any sense. If you're disagreeing with me that attraction isn't encoded in you and something your brain controls (like breathing) please explain to me when you first decided that you wanted to be attracted to women and not men.

(09-10-2015, 05:24 PM)Bengalholic Wrote: Science doesn't 'care'...people do. Science looks for ways to explain and understand. People look for ways to judge and tear down anything different or uncomfortable to them. My question is why do you 'care' one way or the other.


Whether you, me or science, makes the determination that our sexual attraction is genetically hardwired, or that it is purely a preferential process...who cares?


In short brother, I just don't get why people spend so much time and effort concerning themselves with what other people decide to do with their rods and holes?

(09-10-2015, 02:36 PM)bfine32 Wrote: Of course I make decisions when I am unconscious. Just because I am not conscious does not mean I do not have brain activity (you do realize this?). Have you ever heard the term "let me sleep on it"? Even though you are unconcious your brain is processing data and making conclusions. How do you think we wake up without external stimulous?
 
Tell you what: You continue to think same sex attraction is genetic like skin color and I’ll continue to think it is a process in the brain. One of us is bound to be right.
 
I’ll get to work on understanding science thing; you keep working on the insults.

(09-10-2015, 05:56 PM)bfine32 Wrote: At least you got that part right (that means at minimum Dino, he could have gotten other things right).

 All kidding aside.
 
You may not care what motivates folks to do various activities; however, there are many who do. i would venture to say the scholar is more interest in the "why' of same sex attraction that the religious zealot. The religious zealot does not care why; only that it is.

(09-10-2015, 03:52 PM)Mike M (the other one) Wrote: You have offered up zero genetic proof.

Quote: I offered up that it could possibly be a multifactorial genetic disposition, but you rejected that.

Quote:So until proven otherwise, I will continue to believe that it is nothing more than an addictive sexual behavior.

Quote:It's no different than people that are addicted to Porn, paraphilias, frotteurism, S & M, Transvestic, Gender Identity, exhibitionism, voyeurism and others.

(09-10-2015, 06:05 PM)oncemoreuntothejimbreech Wrote: Brain activity doesn't equal decision making.  Once more, look up the definition of decision.  A circadian rhythm and hormonal regulation aren't decision making, either.  Don't even pretend like you don't insult people.  Your body releases hGH and insulin in the morning before you wake up.  That isn't a "decision."

(09-10-2015, 04:13 PM)bfine32 Wrote: Thanks for your input. Carrying on now.

Quote:While evidence for the role of sleep in creative problem-solving has been looked at by prior research, underlying mechanisms such as different stages of sleep had not been explored. Using a creativity task called a Remote Associates Test (RAT), study participants were shown multiple groups of three words (for example: cookie, heart, sixteen) and asked to find a fourth word that can be associated to all three words (sweet, in this instance). Participants were tested in the morning, and again in the afternoon, after either a nap with REM sleep, one without REM or a quiet rest period. The researchers manipulated various conditions of prior exposure to elements of the creative problem, and controlled for memory.

(09-10-2015, 04:16 PM)BmorePat87 Wrote: What's hilarious is that he just argued why sexual orientation is not a choice with his example. Much like breathing, it's something encoded in us that we don't make an active decision everytime to do. Everytime I see a person, I don't make an active decision to be attracted to them based on their sex. Likewise, I don't make a decision to breathe everytime my body does that for me.

(09-10-2015, 04:32 PM)bfine32 Wrote: Who has said "active decision" besides you?

Just like Breech, you can be on the "it's genetic just like skin color" side and I'll be on the a process in the brain side. Hell you guys can even laugh at those that think attraction is a process of the brain; at least you'll seem smart to each other.

(09-10-2015, 06:28 PM)oncemoreuntothejimbreech Wrote: Give me an example of a decision you make which isn't active.

(09-10-2015, 04:57 PM)Bengalholic Wrote: I've never understood this whole debate of genetics vs preference. Who cares? 


When I wake up in the morning...I'm craving eggs, coffee and vagina...though not necessarily in that order. What does it matter if I'm craving vagina because of my genetic wiring or because I just prefer it?

The same goes for those who enjoy c--k, or both, or neither. Why in the hell does anyone care? 

(09-10-2015, 06:31 PM)bfine32 Wrote: To be attracted to the opposite sex.

To block when something is thrown.

(09-10-2015, 05:01 PM)bfine32 Wrote: I suppose the short answer is Science.

(09-10-2015, 06:52 PM)oncemoreuntothejimbreech Wrote: If you blink before I jab my finger in your eye that is a reflex.  Not a decision.  You can't stop yourself from blinking right before I jab my finger in your eye.  That is one trick we use to catch a malingerer faking blindness.  If they aren't blind they will blink even though they are consciously telling themselves not to blink.

(09-10-2015, 06:55 PM)oncemoreuntothejimbreech Wrote: I don't see many science geeks advocating others shouldn't receive fair and equal treatment under the law. 

(09-10-2015, 06:21 PM)bfine32 Wrote: Only because you asked twice I looked up the definition of decision and didn't see the word conscious in there; maybe you have a different dictionary.

How they hell do folks wake up that sleep in the afternoon?

Quote:de·ci·sion

dəˈsiZHən/
noun

1. a conclusion or resolution reached after consideration.
   "I'll make the decision on my own"
   synonyms:
   resolution, conclusion, settlement, commitment, resolve, determination;More
   
   • the action or process of deciding something or of resolving a question.
     "the information was used as the basis for decision"
   • a formal judgment.
     "last year's Supreme Court decision"
     

(09-10-2015, 06:49 PM)oncemoreuntothejimbreech Wrote: People who claim homosexuality is a decision think they can just stop making the decision to be homosexual any time.  Like they're giving up cigarettes.  Usually, not always, these are the same people who want to deny homosexuals fair and equal treatment under the law based upon religion.  Like the lady in KY.

(09-10-2015, 07:15 PM)Bengalholic Wrote: Here's my thing with that, and the overall point I was trying to make. Let's say, for the sake of argument, that the science concludes that homosexuality is purely a 'choice'. My point to those that oppose equal rights to gays...why does it even matter? 


Why should a girl being with a girl or a guy with a guy...be any different than or matter any more, than a sexy chick being with an ugly old man...a white man being with a black woman, a midget being with a 7 footer, etc, etc. Even if it's just a choice...who cares and what business is it of anyone else. 


For those who harp on the 'choice' thing...guess what? Everyone of us (straight, gay, bi, trans) makes a 'choice' about who we want to be with, have sex with, or marry. Even if your a guy attracted only to women...you are making choices (based on personal preferences) about what kind of woman you like, what shape gets you stiff, what personality you can co-exist with, etc. 


I think this a mistake that the LGBT community has made. It might very well be the case that being straight or gay is genetic...but, it's probably also the case that some just 'prefer' the same sex...even after previously being straight and enjoying that. They shouldn't let word 'choice' be turned into something taboo. Whether they're 'born gay' or 'chose' to be gay...it shouldn't matter on damn bit when it comes to them having the same exact rights as everyone else.

(09-10-2015, 06:56 PM)bfine32 Wrote: What do you think caused the blink (reaction to stimuli); genetics?

Quote:We can end this with a simple yes or no question:


Do you think a human can make decisions outside of their consciousness?

(09-10-2015, 07:01 PM)bfine32 Wrote: Was the current conversation about the morality or the cause of the action?

(09-10-2015, 05:56 PM)bfine32 Wrote: At least you got that part right (that means at minimum Dino, he could have gotten other things right).

 All kidding aside.
 
You may not care what motivates folks to do various activities; however, there are many who do. i would venture to say the scholar is more interest in the "why' of same sex attraction that the religious zealot. The religious zealot does not care why; only that it is.