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RE: New Leaked Russian Documents - hollodero - 07-21-2021 (07-21-2021, 12:45 PM)Wes Mantooth Wrote: Tell that to those on the left that are sending JK Rowling death threats for statements like these: OK. First, I want to mention that Rowling first supported Maya Forstater in her right to refer to transgender women as men. Who tried to argue that misgendering in that way should count as protected speech, which, well, is imho a questionable take, and a questionable hill to die on for Rowling. Rowling also claimed that transgenders using women's toilets opens the door to all men doing so. She also later wrote a book where a crossdresser is a murderer. There's a bit more to the Rowling story than just these tweets. That being said, I have to agree with your overall point. Extreme wokeness is an infection that spreads through the media and celebrity world and reaches ridiculous proportions. And after reading up on the whole Rowling controversy (thanks for that...), I see no reason to be so extremely appalled by her or burn her books and whatnot. Death threats, there of course is zero justification for that in any case. (But these usually are only certain individuals, and as often stated, there are idiots throughout the whole political spectrum.) Your overall everyday leftist, however, usually is not really a part of this culture of extreme wokeness. Being left does not mean burning Rowling books. Well, maybe it's geting out of hand a bit. As stated, I can see your point here. But even if, reaching the conclusion that the left no longer knows what the male and female sex is supposed to be is quite a stretch. RE: New Leaked Russian Documents - Stewy - 07-21-2021 (07-20-2021, 07:01 PM)SunsetBengal Wrote: Oh, I'm not so sure about that. The States of Georgia and Texas have been dragged through the mud, for simply wanting to add a little security to their elections, measures that don't even reach the bar of some other States.. Oh FFS - The Texas Congress is a GD disgrace. The legislation they are proposing is specifically pointed at reducing voting rights, not increasing security. I vote in Texas, remember? I've been to the polls. The security is tight. Early voting is fantastic. The Republicans of this state are the worst of the worst from the State Senate to Cruz to the Governor. All they want is continued power by any means necessary. They disgust me. Have you read up on the bill the Texas Democrats walked out on in May? While most of the things in the bills are "shoulder shruggers", and increase security not at all, there are a couple of provisions that are just appalling. See below. It had a provision that would allow elected officials to overturn elections if enough voter fraud was claimed post election day. No evidence necessary to start the process. Just make the claim over and over, and whoops no win for you. The Repub's have since taken that out, but kept provisions that allow the losing opposition to tie up the winner in court, well hell, forever if they have enough money. Also to guarantee the "integrity" of the elections it will be illegal for election officials to obstruct PARTISAN election watchers in any way. Repub asshole bothering people trying to vote? Getting in their way? Bumping into them? They can't be stopped and if an election official tries, 1000$ fine for you. If this sounds like your kind of voting "security" then Texas is the place for you. RE: New Leaked Russian Documents - CJD - 07-21-2021 (07-21-2021, 12:45 PM)Wes Mantooth Wrote: Tell that to those on the left that are sending JK Rowling death threats for statements like these: It sounds like Rowling doesn't understand the difference between sex and gender. That's probably what a lot of the criticism towards her was. It doesn't justify death threats, but there's loons in every community. For every death threat she got, there were probably 100 tweets just telling her that sex and gender are different and that transgender people (it's even in the name) don't think that there are no differences between trans women and cis women. It is hard to consider her an ally to the transgender movement given what she's said, of course. Plus, her retroactively making Dumbledore gay was super cringe. It felt like she only said it for the performative "woke" points but didn't want to actually put in the work to write an authentic gay character. RE: New Leaked Russian Documents - Sociopathicsteelerfan - 07-21-2021 (07-21-2021, 01:03 PM)Dill Wrote: LOL "Translation" looks a lot easier than actually addressing the points I made. There are millions of people who think the police intentionally look for "people of color" to murder or physically abuse on a regular basis. Maybe, if people's outrage for groupthink was consistent we'd actually live in a better world. RE: New Leaked Russian Documents - Sociopathicsteelerfan - 07-21-2021 (07-21-2021, 12:43 PM)hollodero Wrote: Yeah, my position on all this is not so clearly in line with the democrat's point of view regarding many of these laws. It's often the Puerto Rico conundrum all over again for me. I figure the GOP does indeed introduce these laws because in their calculation it probably helps them. That doesn't mean these measures are all wrong or appalling. (I do think some of these laws take it too far though, but far from all.) Neither party introduces legislation like this that won't benefit them. Quote:I do have a hard time though to listen to Trump or ardent Trump supporters that are all for securing the election integrity, while at the same time not finding it in themselves to condemn attempts to pressure officials into changing the official (and many times controlled and audited) results in Trump's favor. On the contrary, they have no issue with such attempts at all. That has zero to do with securing election integrity, it is the opposite of that and hence the whole "we're just about election integrity" point sounds real hollow if made by the very same people. And as someone advocating for consistency I figure you can acknowledge that point. Absolutely, and I think my position on all of this has been very consistent. You're 100% correct, intellectual consistency is a rare commodity. Most people are completely comfortable with inconsistent opinions as long as the inconsistency benefits their preferred worldview/politics. One need look no further than this board to find examples. I would be very interested in seeing a direct comparison between the new, or proposed, voting laws in GA and TX and some deep blue states. I'd be willing to bet there's at least one deep blue state with election laws as, if not more, strict. RE: New Leaked Russian Documents - BigPapaKain - 07-21-2021 (07-21-2021, 04:32 PM)Sociopathicsteelerfan Wrote: Neither party introduces legislation like this that won't benefit them. https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/ng-interactive/2019/nov/07/which-us-states-hardest-vote-supression-election I know; the Guardian - icky. But with all the BS in the news, it's hard to find something that doesn't just talk about upcoming laws versus laws on the books. RE: New Leaked Russian Documents - Sociopathicsteelerfan - 07-21-2021 (07-21-2021, 04:55 PM)BigPapaKain Wrote: https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/ng-interactive/2019/nov/07/which-us-states-hardest-vote-supression-election I read the Guardian every day, don't know how I missed that. Good find! It certainly appears that red states cover more of the categories on a consistent basis, but there are certainly deep blue states with some significant restriction, greater than some deep red states. It definitely puts the lie to the claim that the new GA and TX laws are Jim Crow 2.0. I absolutely loathe that type of hyperbole, but I know that's politics 101. RE: New Leaked Russian Documents - Cicero - 07-21-2021 (07-20-2021, 03:46 PM)Sociopathicsteelerfan Wrote: Correct, neither side is. One side doesn't think there's any fascism to fight (pro tip, there isn't) and the other is a bunch of LARPing a holes who think they're storming the beach at Normandy (pro tip, they aren't). You are a Stealer fan. Stop making so much sense. You are supposed to be a mouth breathing knuckle dragger. RE: New Leaked Russian Documents - SunsetBengal - 07-21-2021 (07-21-2021, 12:13 PM)hollodero Wrote: Securing the integrity of the election, hm. I wonder how you would assess Trump calling the Georgia Secretary of State and urging him to just "find", as he said, the exact number of votes for himThose two items are separate and apart, not sure what are are alluding to by attempting to make a connection between the two. RE: New Leaked Russian Documents - Cicero - 07-21-2021 (07-21-2021, 03:51 PM)Crazyjdawg Wrote: It sounds like Rowling doesn't understand the difference between sex and gender. Identity is one thing but gender and sex are scientific facts. You have external reproductive organs at birth or you don't. Pretending otherwise just obfuscates the real issues. RE: New Leaked Russian Documents - CJD - 07-21-2021 (07-21-2021, 08:21 PM)Cicero Wrote: Identity is one thing but gender and sex are scientific facts. You have external reproductive organs at birth or you don't. Pretending otherwise just obfuscates the real issues. Gender is sociological, not biological. You're doing the same thing Rowling did. RE: New Leaked Russian Documents - SunsetBengal - 07-21-2021 (07-21-2021, 12:42 PM)Dill Wrote: The most significant provisions in SB 202 don’t create new election rules, exactly. Instead, they change who gets to determine how those rules are implemented — handing significant power to the Republicans who control the state legislature, called the General Assembly.. . . Idk, seems like a little oversight could be a good thing. RE: New Leaked Russian Documents - Cicero - 07-21-2021 (07-21-2021, 08:23 PM)Crazyjdawg Wrote: Gender is sociological, not biological. You're doing the same thing Rowling did. No, it isn't. It is objective fact no matter how bad we want to pretend otherwise. Not everything is a social construct. RE: New Leaked Russian Documents - CJD - 07-21-2021 (07-21-2021, 08:28 PM)Cicero Wrote: No, it isn't. It is objective fact no matter how bad we want to pretend otherwise. Not everything is a social construct. Explain to me your understanding of the difference between gender and sex. RE: New Leaked Russian Documents - SunsetBengal - 07-21-2021 (07-21-2021, 02:25 PM)Stewy Wrote: It had a provision that would allow elected officials to overturn elections if enough voter fraud was claimed post election day. No evidence necessary to start the process. Just make the claim over and over, and whoops no win for you. The Repub's have since taken that out, but kept provisions that allow the losing opposition to tie up the winner in court, well hell, forever if they have enough money. If they've taken the provision out, then why are you going on about it? The second part sounds like a bit of sensationalism, a lot of "suppose this" and "what if" that.. RE: New Leaked Russian Documents - Cicero - 07-21-2021 (07-21-2021, 08:29 PM)Crazyjdawg Wrote: Explain to me your understanding of the difference between gender and sex. No. RE: New Leaked Russian Documents - CJD - 07-21-2021 (07-21-2021, 08:31 PM)Cicero Wrote: No. Because you don't know what the difference is. Just like JK Rowling. RE: New Leaked Russian Documents - Cicero - 07-21-2021 (07-21-2021, 08:32 PM)Crazyjdawg Wrote: Because you don't know what the difference is. No, I simply refuse to be drawn into some ludicrous debate with you about the nature of reality as it pertains to gender and sex. Your playing make believe while gay people are being persecuted and murdered all over the world. Do you think the guy being thrown off of a building in Iran gives a single shit about whether or not you play pretend science so you can feel all woke and superior? RE: New Leaked Russian Documents - CJD - 07-21-2021 (07-21-2021, 08:37 PM)Cicero Wrote: No, I simply refuse to be drawn into some ludicrous debate with you about the nature of reality as it pertains to gender and sex. Your playing make believe while gay people are being persecuted and murdered all over the world. Do you think the guy being thrown off of a building in Iran gives a single shit about whether or not you play pretend science so you can feel all woke and superior? You responded to me, bud. If anything you're the one who tried to draw me into a "ludicrous debate." I called your bluff and now you're backing out with nonsequiturs to convince yourself you're not the intolerant one. RE: New Leaked Russian Documents - Cicero - 07-21-2021 (07-21-2021, 08:39 PM)Crazyjdawg Wrote: You responded to me, bud. If anything you're the one who tried to draw me into a "ludicrous debate." Not really a debate, just pointing out the fake outrage and self appointed moral superiority. |