(03-15-2023, 12:12 PM)KillerGoose Wrote: Williams led the league in goalline carries and it wasn't even close. Genuinely. If we look at carries from the one yard line, Williams had nearly double the amount than second place (17 vs. 9). He also scored 10 of his TDs from the one yard line. He had 21 carries and 13 TDs from the two yard line and in, 34 carries and 14 TDs from five yards and in. 

We can look at EPA to get a better idea of Williams' impact on the rushing game as a whole. He had a lower EPA than Joe Mixon. 

(03-15-2023, 12:13 AM)pulses Wrote: I'd rather get Miles Sanders the more I think about it.

(03-15-2023, 12:13 AM)pulses Wrote: I'd rather get Miles Sanders the more I think about it.

(03-15-2023, 12:19 PM)BengalFanInNJ Wrote: Sanders is good, but you can’t expect him to duplicate his success here since he was running behind an awesome offensive line in Philly.

(03-15-2023, 12:16 PM)rfaulk34 Wrote: Thanks for the #s. That's exactly what i would expect. If you feel like doing it, post the EPA. 

Nothing wrong with filling a hole, but no one should expect Williams to come in here and do better than Mixon and Perine have done the last couple years, just because he scored 17 times last year.

(03-15-2023, 12:00 PM)rfaulk34 Wrote: Because Williams was getting the majority of the goal line carries, i'd guess. Williams had 17 TDs last year and a combined 13 in the previous 5 years. 


He's an average back, at best, that won't improve with a worse offensive line. 

(03-15-2023, 12:36 PM)Isaac Curtis: The Real #85 Wrote: Man, you missed the point entirely. 

I will connect the dots for you. 

1) Goal line backs get lower YPC/expected yards. 
2) Williams is a good short yardage back 
3) That's why he got those carries over Swift, despite the other guy having better nerd metrics. 
4) Him leading the league in goal line carries is a GOOD thing in my estimation. I value good short yardage backs. 

Feel free to disagree. Or attribute it to the line. I will gladly take the good blocking, 17 td, 1,000 yard back on my team. Now, I am not gonna pay him big money, but as part of a tandem? Yes, please. 

(03-15-2023, 12:36 PM)Isaac Curtis: The Real #85 Wrote: Man, you missed the point entirely. 

I will connect the dots for you. 

1) Goal line backs get lower YPC/expected yards. 
2) Williams is a good short yardage back 
3) That's why he got those carries over Swift, despite the other guy having better nerd metrics. 
4) Him leading the league in goal line carries is a GOOD thing in my estimation. I value good short yardage backs. 

Feel free to disagree. Or attribute it to the line. I will gladly take the good blocking, 17 td, 1,000 yard back on my team. Now, I am not gonna pay him big money, but as part of a tandem? Yes, please. 

(03-15-2023, 12:25 PM)rfaulk34 Wrote: He was, but he only has 4 years of wear and tear and he has a 5.0ypc for his career. He's better at passpro than Mixon is and he's pretty much equal to Mixon athletically. 

(03-15-2023, 01:05 PM)KillerGoose Wrote: Lost in your condescension is the fact that you are wrong on your evaluation of Williams. Lol. He's not a very good short yardage back. He just received those opportunities more often than anyone else, but he didn't necessarily produce better than everyone else. For instance, as a whole, Williams converted 68% of his rushes where there was less than or equal to one yard to go. League average was 74%. To put it into further perspective, Mixon converted 77% of his attempts. 

On rushes from the one yard line, Williams converted 59% of his rushes into TDs. League average was 58%. This is also behind a very, very good offensive line. 

(03-15-2023, 12:25 PM)rfaulk34 Wrote: He was, but he only has 4 years of wear and tear and he has a 5.0ypc for his career. He's better at passpro than Mixon is and he's pretty much equal to Mixon athletically. 

(03-15-2023, 12:27 PM)Synric Wrote: I like James Robinson. All the dude does is make plays and still young at like 24.

(03-15-2023, 01:05 PM)KillerGoose Wrote: Lost in your condescension is the fact that you are wrong on your evaluation of Williams. Lol. He's not a very good short yardage back. He just received those opportunities more often than anyone else, but he didn't necessarily produce better than everyone else. For instance, as a whole, Williams converted 68% of his rushes where there was less than or equal to one yard to go. League average was 74%. To put it into further perspective, Mixon converted 77% of his attempts. 

On rushes from the one yard line, Williams converted 59% of his rushes into TDs. League average was 58%. This is also behind a very, very good offensive line. 

(03-15-2023, 01:31 PM)Nepa Wrote: At Penn State, Sanders had a lot of fumbles:  10 times (in 308 touches). I don't know how he has done with the Eagles in this regard, but as a Penn State fan, it always seemed he fumbled at the most inopportune times.

(03-15-2023, 08:56 PM)Bengalholic Wrote: When you take age into account...Singletary and Robinson probably the best RB fits for the Bengals of who's left.

(03-15-2023, 10:36 PM)ochocincos Wrote: Is it out of the realm of possibility the Bengals keep Mixon and draft a guy to be the RB2 with a plan for that draft pick to take over as the starter after this year or next?
Wouldn't surprise me one bit.

As Joe Goodberry said, Bengals aren't willing/able to give out the guaranteed money and/or years that some of these guys are getting from other teams. Gotta save every penny in that piggy bank for Burrow I guess.