(05-06-2016, 01:40 PM)Brownshoe Wrote: You keep bringing up if someone says "no" then it's rape. Obviously no one is disagreeing with you on this point. You keep bringing that up when people are talking about a completely different scenario. It's pretty irrelevant to the conversation tbh.

People are talking about if they gave consent and then regretted it later it.

(05-06-2016, 01:42 PM)Brownshoe Wrote: 1 racist is too many, but having racists in a country doesn't make the country racist. Don't you agree?

I don't see anyone arguing for excuses of rape. Nice strawman.

(05-06-2016, 01:45 PM)GMDino Wrote: People are also arguing about the clothes they were wearing or if they were really drunk, or if the man was drunk to, or, or, or....

If both parties are able to and do consent it is not rape.  Agreed.

Other than that there should be no arguments about what rape is.

(05-05-2016, 02:19 AM)THE Bigzoman Wrote: I think not. It's a one of those dumn memes spawnig from feminists and college SJWs these days.

It takes a serious amount of cognitive dissonance to believe that we live in a society that condones and promotes rape.

The same society that gives rape victims more protection than victims of other violent crimes in court; the same society that fills itself with rage at even the slightest possibility of rape; the same society where convicted prisoners--those considered the worst of the worst by society--beat rape convicts to death in prisons; cannot at the same time condone and promote rape.

Thoughts?

(05-05-2016, 07:44 AM)GMDino Wrote:

Our legal system takes it very seriously.

"Rape culture" refers to men still thinking a woman is "asking for it" when she dresses the "wrong" way or is too drunk to say no clearly.

(05-05-2016, 11:01 AM)Rotobeast Wrote: I don't support rape by any means, but why is drunkenness always allowed as an excused impairment for the female but not the male ?

I can see the reasoning from back in the day when females were the meek little flowers and all, but today they're just as sexually aggressive as men.

If they're both intoxicated, what makes the man held any more accountable ?

Probably the same double standards that keep them out of selective service, for now.

(05-05-2016, 11:18 AM)Rotobeast Wrote: I wasn't necessarily pointing it at you per se, but I still don't get how if they are equally drunk how one doesn't have the ability to reason to say no, but the other is supposed to have the capacity to deduce that they are too impaired to have consensual sex.

I mean, I'm chivalrous at heart, but in the eyes of the law I don't get it.
If there's signs of forced entry, or witnesses ok.
I know a DTF tag doesn't mean go for it, but I would think there'd need to be more evidence than an accusation and claim of inebriation.

(05-05-2016, 11:36 AM)Rotobeast Wrote: Well, sure....if she's like unable to even move.
But my thoughts are centering on a drunken girl that is still functional enough to participate.
I've known people that had a girl crawling all over them at a party get accused of rape because the girl found out later she slept with someone who wasn't as rich or good looking as she thought he was then.

I might be sounding like a jerk, but I just don't get the mindset when there's no proof other than he said she said.

(05-05-2016, 11:40 AM)PhilHos Wrote: Here's my problem with the too-drunk-to-consent issue, usually both individuals are drunk. So how do we know that one is too drunk to consent and the other is sober enough to know this? 

(05-05-2016, 07:19 PM)Bengalsrob Wrote: The general population sometimes, the NFL ALWAYS (unless it's Ray Rice and Goodell thinks he's the only one who's seen the video) Not rape I know, but related. The real problem is people who were actually raped have more problem getting their cases handled, because they are usually ashamed, embarrassed, and often afraid to pursue their cases. Now, if a woman dresses and acts like a hooker, I think that should devalue any claim of rape, and should be a contributing factor in a case. It's altogether too easy to cry rape if things don't turn out to suit you, and I've seen that happen to a couple of people caused by one certain young lady who's related to me . That's nearly as bad as a rape victim, in this case the man is automatically looked on unfavorably by the media and society. I'm not talking about a drunken encounter, just young girl decides to say somebody raped her. I believe substantial charges should be brought against false accusers as they are actual rapists, it's way to easy to cry rape nowadays, and cases like that backlog the system where those people who were raped should receive justice swiftly.

(05-05-2016, 07:40 PM)Bengalsrob Wrote: You really don't get out much do you? Geez, you can even spot what I'm talking about in any courtroom, even traffic court,where women don't respect the court any more than they respect themselves, if you look around you will spot them; you do go into courtrooms do you not? You're talking about actual rape, I'm talking about casual sex and women who don't respect anything, there's a huge difference.

(05-06-2016, 01:05 PM)StLucieBengal Wrote: There is no rape culture.    We have had enough education on the matter that these days it's just over the top.   You almost need a written contract to ensure there is no rape allegations.  

Instead of girls doing the walk of shame and that being a deterrent to their actions.... Now if there is any walk of shame moment then they can just claim rape and at least hassle a guy long enough to matter in his personal life.

(05-06-2016, 01:11 PM)GMDino Wrote: Again the simple fact that people think like this leads me to believe we do indeed have a rape culture.

Not that men feel free to rape and think they can get away with it, but that men want to complain that women have an "advantage".

(05-06-2016, 01:18 PM)StLucieBengal Wrote: When a girl can have second thoughts about a hook up.  That's a problem.  Sometimes you just make a bad call on a hook up and in the morning you are ready to chew your arm off like a badger.   It's not rape to hook up with the wrong person after a night of drinking 

(05-06-2016, 01:20 PM)StLucieBengal Wrote: Guys have a walk of shame as well.   When you wake up next to a wildabeast in the morning you are doing everything possible to slip out.    Can guys start claiming rape in those cases?    At least this way it's both sides Maling ridiculous claims 

(05-06-2016, 01:50 PM)Brownshoe Wrote: Those arguments are not an excuse for rape. Those arguments are saying peoples terms of rape is too broad. Rape happens only when a person (or people) have sex with another person who doesn't want to have sex (or is unconscious and doesn't give consent). It's not rape if two people are drunk and both want to have sex, and one of them regrets it in the morning and says it's rape. No one has said what type of clothes they are wearing was the reason why they were raped, or is saying that it's reason enough to rape them. That again is a strawman.

Quote:"Rape culture" refers to men still thinking a woman is "asking for it" when she dresses the "wrong" way or is too drunk to say no clearly.

(05-06-2016, 02:08 PM)GMDino Wrote: Original post....saying rape is just a figment produced by women and SJW's.


My initial response: Too many people still think there should be excuses for rape other than she said no.


Since then:








After three pages of "poor men" and excuses I said:


It continues:





Yes they are. They are saying women have some kind of unfair advantage because they can claim rape if the sex wasn't good enough or some other fantasy of the male ego. They are saying a woman claiming she is raped has it too easy and we need to see all the other factors like how she was dressed, if they were BOTH drinking, etc.

So I go back to my first response:


And add to that men who think women just claim rape if the sex was bad and they don't want to be "embarrassed".

(05-06-2016, 02:41 PM)Brownshoe Wrote: One massive straw man right there. The first post is obviously talking about rape culture not rape itself, and none of those are excusing the act of rape they're saying they disagree that it's rape if the woman was drunk/ regret it later.

(05-06-2016, 02:47 PM)GMDino Wrote: Yep...no excuses there at all.  

(05-05-2016, 03:55 PM)BmorePat87 Wrote: We put more emphasis on telling girls what to do to not get raped than we do on telling boys why they should not rape and that women do not owe them sex. Is it as bad as some places? No, but that doesn't mean we don't have issues.

(05-06-2016, 02:47 PM)GMDino Wrote: Yep...no excuses there at all.  

(05-06-2016, 02:59 PM)BmorePat87 Wrote: So far I have seen victim shaming in this thread but nothing about what we do to tell boys that they aren't owed sex from girls or what constitutes rape. 

(05-06-2016, 03:04 PM)Brownshoe Wrote: The first part of your post is a straw man. No one in this thread has blamed the victim. As for the second part only psycopaths believe that they are owed sex. No normal peson believes that.

(05-06-2016, 03:10 PM)GMDino Wrote: No, they've made excuse as to why they aren't really victims.

(05-06-2016, 03:13 PM)Brownshoe Wrote: Victims of what? Bad decision making?

(05-06-2016, 03:18 PM)GMDino Wrote: Because they were drunk or dressed "wrong".

(05-06-2016, 01:11 PM)GMDino Wrote: Again the simple fact that people think like this leads me to believe we do indeed have a rape culture.

Not that men feel free to rape and think they can get away with it, but that men want to complain that women have an "advantage".

(05-06-2016, 04:33 PM)NATI BENGALS Wrote: Well according to the FBI law a man couldn't fall under their definition of rape until they changed it in 2013.

Old definition " the carnal knowledge of a female forcibly and against her will"

So yes women had an advantage considering men couldn't even be the victim under this definition.

And I don't know the exact numbers. But I'm pretty sure women get lighter sentences on average than men when it comes to teachers raping students. And there is definitely a different societal perspective of men teachers accused of rape or any type of sexual conduct with a female student than there is a female teacher having relations with a male student.

What kind of sicko monster abuses his power to have sex with a student? Compared to that lucky kid why did he open his mouth?

People say females are afraid to report rapes. With such a high discrepancy in rape statistics I would say males are more afraid to report rapes than females. What kind of a panzy gets raped by a chick? Actually the toughest dude I know says he got raped when he was in high school by a fat chick. And no he didn't report it.   

(05-06-2016, 03:21 PM)Brownshoe Wrote: Not one person said it was ok to rape a drunk woman, or a woman that was dressed "wrong", or even said it was their fault because they were drunk or dressed "wrong".

(05-05-2016, 07:19 PM)Bengalsrob Wrote: if a woman dresses and acts like a hooker, I think that should devalue any claim of rape,

(05-06-2016, 04:43 PM)GMDino Wrote: Based on the conversation in this thread he was probably just embarrassed and wanted to get out of saying he had sex with her willingly.  

(05-06-2016, 04:58 PM)fredtoast Wrote: Oh, really?

(05-06-2016, 05:21 PM)Brownshoe Wrote: I'm pretty sure you have good enough reading comprehension to know that he's not saying it's ok to rape someone for what they're wearing, or even if it was their fault because they were wearing something "wrong".

(05-06-2016, 05:26 PM)fredtoast Wrote: He is saying that we can judge if a woman was raped or not based on her clothes.

There is no other way to interpret it.