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RE: Wisconsin Is Systematically Failing to Provide the Photo IDs Required to Vote in Nov - bfine32 - 10-05-2016 (10-05-2016, 10:25 PM)Belsnickel Wrote: Yeah, I get a little feisty and do that sometimes, and them decide not to go that route and delete it. This time it got quoted too quickly. It's OK your thoughts were noted (of course I would dispute your assertion of ignorance and those that wallow in it). Some folks resort to insult (me too on occasion) and there are the usual suspects more than willing to add fuel to the fire. You just took the bait. The absolutely ironic thing is that if there were truly a measure proposed to assist the fully qualified poor in purchasing a weapon for their defense, me and the others here that have had a counter stance, would most likely do so again; we'd just be on the other side. RE: Wisconsin Is Systematically Failing to Provide the Photo IDs Required to Vote in Nov - GMDino - 10-05-2016 (10-05-2016, 10:24 PM)bfine32 Wrote: Oh, I missed the post of Matt's you quoted. I retract my earlier comment of the discussion being free from condescension ![]() (10-04-2016, 01:32 PM)bfine32 Wrote: Did Jim Crow specifically target blacks? (10-04-2016, 01:40 PM)bfine32 Wrote: I suppose a court would have to decide. Is it violating equal protection is everyone is charged to same percentage? (10-04-2016, 02:14 PM)bfine32 Wrote: Hell, being poor is a bigger burden than being rich, but just because I take 1% from each doesn't mean someone is being treated unfairly and as I said, the ID will not be "free" just because the one getting it doesn't have to pay for it. (10-05-2016, 01:27 PM)bfine32 Wrote: You guys OK with subsidizing the price of a hand gun for the poor? (10-05-2016, 04:49 PM)bfine32 Wrote: I assume this is a long, no. (10-05-2016, 06:54 PM)bfine32 Wrote: The comparison came with the bumper sticker speak of "I have no problem with my tax dollars going to ensure rights". The taxation was a seperate discussion. So to answer your question: No one is comparing taxes on the two. (10-05-2016, 07:39 PM)bfine32 Wrote: ...and you are making the leap that, if you are required to present a valid photo ID to vote and if such an ID is not provided for you at someones else's expense, you are being taxed to vote. (10-05-2016, 09:43 PM)bfine32 Wrote: 1. Oh, I didn't realize you were serious when you compared a civilian's right to bear arms to the Military. My apologies, please understand it was not a reading comprehension issue on my part. (10-05-2016, 10:15 PM)bfine32 Wrote: Welp, it seems we (the courts) agree that the right to bear arms is an individual right and not one that requires enlistment in a Militia. To be honest; I'm not sure if we agree on this or not, seems you are hedging. ![]() RE: Wisconsin Is Systematically Failing to Provide the Photo IDs Required to Vote in Nov - bfine32 - 10-05-2016 (10-05-2016, 10:32 PM)bfine32 Wrote: Some folks resort to insult (me too on occasion) and there are the usual suspects more than willing to add fuel to the fire. You just took the bait. (10-05-2016, 10:48 PM)GMDino Wrote: RE: Wisconsin Is Systematically Failing to Provide the Photo IDs Required to Vote in Nov - BmorePat87 - 10-06-2016 (10-05-2016, 07:39 PM)bfine32 Wrote: ...and you are making the leap that, if you are required to present a valid photo ID to vote and if such an ID is not provided for you at someones else's expense, you are being taxed to vote. Again, I'm not making the leap, the courts are. If you have to pay the government for a card to vote, you're being taxed. Kentucky allows you to use your Social Security card, which is free, so you can vote free in your state. As far as addressing paying for guns, I already did. We have an amendment that says you can't be charged to vote. We don't have an amendment that says you can get guns for free, just that the government can't stop you from owning them (with limitations). RE: Wisconsin Is Systematically Failing to Provide the Photo IDs Required to Vote in Nov - Belsnickel - 10-06-2016 (10-06-2016, 07:25 AM)BmorePat87 Wrote: Again, I'm not making the leap, the courts are. If you have to pay the government for a card to vote, you're being taxed. Kentucky allows you to use your Social Security card, which is free, so you can vote free in your state. This is true. I didn't even get into the 24th in my argument because we were talking more about subsidizing than taxing. But, the right to vote is specifically listed as being unable to be taxed, and any fee charged by the government can be considered a tax. RE: Wisconsin Is Systematically Failing to Provide the Photo IDs Required to Vote in Nov - GMDino - 10-06-2016 (10-05-2016, 10:32 PM)bfine32 Wrote: It's OK your thoughts were noted (of course I would dispute your assertion of ignorance and those that wallow in it). Some folks resort to insult (me too on occasion) and there are the usual suspects more than willing to add fuel to the fire. You just took the bait. ![]() RE: Wisconsin Is Systematically Failing to Provide the Photo IDs Required to Vote in Nov - bfine32 - 10-06-2016 (10-06-2016, 07:25 AM)BmorePat87 Wrote: Again, I'm not making the leap, the courts are. If you have to pay the government for a card to vote, you're being taxed. Kentucky allows you to use your Social Security card, which is free, so you can vote free in your state. I like how SCOTUS ruled in Crawford v. Marion County Election Board. You must have a photo ID to vote and if not you must show that you cannot afford one. RE: Wisconsin Is Systematically Failing to Provide the Photo IDs Required to Vote in Nov - BmorePat87 - 10-06-2016 (10-06-2016, 01:57 PM)bfine32 Wrote: I like how SCOTUS ruled in Crawford v. Marion County Election Board. You must have a photo ID to vote and if not you must show that you cannot afford one. Indiana's law was good because all you had to do was go to a government office and sign a statement saying you couldn't afford the ID. Probably no more of burden on the voter than going to the office and getting a free ID. |