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RE: North Korea threatens to withdraw from summit with Trump - StLucieBengal - 05-18-2018 (05-18-2018, 09:27 AM)GMDino Wrote: There have not been more than a handful of Senate and House elections since "Trump's agenda" was elected...as you say. And the polls tighten it was once a 15 pt dem lead down to 4. RE: North Korea threatens to withdraw from summit with Trump - GMDino - 05-18-2018 (05-18-2018, 10:05 AM)StLucieBengal Wrote: And the polls tighten it was once a 15 pt dem lead down to 4. Gee...a quote without a source. Color me stunned. But also I thought conservatives (and Trumpers) didn't believe "lying" polls? RE: North Korea threatens to withdraw from summit with Trump - GMDino - 05-22-2018 Disclaimer: Here's something funny. A lighthearted story to not take seriously as it is not an important issue but rather just a little jokey article about how the Trump admin does silly things sometimes. Don't let it distract you from the serious stuff, but rather just enjoy it for what it is worth and maybe have a giggle over it. ![]() http://nymag.com/daily/intelligencer/2018/05/u-s-mints-coin-for-trump-kim-summit-that-might-not-happen.html Quote:U.S. Mints Garish Coin for Trump-Kim Summit That Might Not Happen RE: North Korea threatens to withdraw from summit with Trump - Griever - 05-22-2018 https://www.cnn.com/2018/05/22/politics/trump-moon-north-korea-white-house/index.html trump even isnt sure if it will happen RE: North Korea threatens to withdraw from summit with Trump - Belsnickel - 05-24-2018 Trump, I'm guessing to stay the one "in control" of the situation, has canceled the summit. Quote:President Trump on Thursday canceled a planned summit next month with North Korean leader Kim Jong Un, citing “tremendous anger and open hostility” from the rogue nation in a letter explaining his abrupt decision. RE: North Korea threatens to withdraw from summit with Trump - jj22 - 05-24-2018 Trumps just trying to save face. Kim long canceled this meeting. RE: North Korea threatens to withdraw from summit with Trump - Griever - 05-24-2018 But he's willing to run into a building unarmed to save kids.... RE: North Korea threatens to withdraw from summit with Trump - Belsnickel - 05-24-2018 In all seriousness, I've been of the opinion from the start that this summit would either not happen or would be fruitless. Neither Kim nor Trump would approach these negotiations in a way that would be productive. Trump is too much of a zero-sum thinker and Kim is, well, Kim. I truly believe that the reason this summit was canceled by Trump is to maintain the image that he is in control of the situation. It looks better politically for him to walk away then it does for Kim to turn his back on us, and Trump and/or his advisers saw the writing on the wall. Pulling the trigger first reduced the political capital lost with this. The thing I am going to be waiting on is the DPRK response. There are a lot of different directions I could see them going with this. RE: North Korea threatens to withdraw from summit with Trump - hollodero - 05-24-2018 Great letter though. Peace might be gone for now, but Nobel prize for literature still very much in play. RE: North Korea threatens to withdraw from summit with Trump - Yojimbo - 05-24-2018 Just incase anybody doesn’t realize what’s at stake in going to war with North Korea. If the U.S. steps one foot in North Korea, it becomes a war with China. That’s the reason it’s been a standoff for 60 years. It wouldn’t be N. Korea vs. The U.S. and S. Korea, it would be China and N. Korea vs. The U.S. and S. Korea. This isn’t the same as Libya, as much as Bolton and Pence would lead you to believe. Hopefully, the peninsula will continue to move towards peace and reconciliation without our interference, unless requested. RE: North Korea threatens to withdraw from summit with Trump - Belsnickel - 05-24-2018 (05-24-2018, 12:26 PM)Yojimbo Wrote: Hopefully, the peninsula will continue to move towards peace and reconciliation without our interference, unless requested. The problem is that as a part of the conflict, any treaty will require our involvement. An official end to the conflict requires the US as a signatory. RE: North Korea threatens to withdraw from summit with Trump - Bengalzona - 05-24-2018 Hmm. Maybe we should just give South Korea and Japan nukes and bring our troops home. Let them hash it out. ![]() RE: North Korea threatens to withdraw from summit with Trump - Dill - 05-24-2018 (05-24-2018, 11:51 AM)Belsnickel Wrote: In all seriousness, I've been of the opinion from the start that this summit would either not happen or would be fruitless. Neither Kim nor Trump would approach these negotiations in a way that would be productive. Trump is too much of a zero-sum thinker and Kim is, well, Kim. I truly believe that the reason this summit was canceled by Trump is to maintain the image that he is in control of the situation. It looks better politically for him to walk away then it does for Kim to turn his back on us, and Trump and/or his advisers saw the writing on the wall. Pulling the trigger first reduced the political capital lost with this. Still, Trump seems the loser since he did not follow the usual process, but announced right away that he would meet with Kim. Now he cancels on what is clearly a pretext. Trump has a penchant for painting himself into a corner with untimely and ill-considered ultimatums. If Kim decides to test another missile to show NK "Independence," Trump will have rattle his saber VERY LOUDLY in response. Kim has to rattle back, which will be a "provocation" requiring a "response." Trump has made acting rather than talking his brand. The "not OBama." Hard to walk that back. Impossible to walk it back without losing cred. It is possible that Trump's NSC advisor will push military solutions, and Trump will listen to him over Mattis and Kelly. As Yojimbo pointed out, China is an important player here. I don't see them sitting back while the US stirs up the NK. If I'm China, I can't allow NK to be nuked. And I may side with it in case of a land invasion as well--like in Oct. 1950. Russia should also be an important factor, since they too share a border with NK. RE: North Korea threatens to withdraw from summit with Trump - BmorePat87 - 05-24-2018 Damn it, did we already mint the coins? RE: North Korea threatens to withdraw from summit with Trump - Griever - 05-24-2018 Now his base will truly have a collectible item So much his novel prize though RE: North Korea threatens to withdraw from summit with Trump - Yojimbo - 05-24-2018 (05-24-2018, 12:36 PM)Belsnickel Wrote: The problem is that as a part of the conflict, any treaty will require our involvement. An official end to the conflict requires the US as a signatory. I understand that, but it doesn’t mean those two sovereign countries need our permission to have better and open relations. They could both stand down/ reduce their militaries on the dmz without permission. RE: North Korea threatens to withdraw from summit with Trump - PhilHos - 05-24-2018 (05-24-2018, 11:51 AM)hollodero Wrote: Great letter though. Peace might be gone for now, but Nobel prize for literature still very much in play. As long as he doesn't deserve it. ![]() RE: North Korea threatens to withdraw from summit with Trump - Bengalzona - 05-24-2018 (05-24-2018, 02:53 PM)Griever Wrote: Now his base will truly have a collectible item Indeed. They are already a prized collector's item. See. Trump making mo' money fo his peoples! ![]() RE: North Korea threatens to withdraw from summit with Trump - Millhouse - 05-24-2018 Either this was planned by the WH, or Pence is an idiot. Its hard to tell which. Trying to get to the table with North Korea is beyond delicate at this point. But yet on Monday Pence had to open his mouth about it. "There was some talk about the Libya model," Pence told Fox News' Martha MacCallum. "As the President made clear, this will only end like the Libya model ended if Kim Jong Un doesn't make a deal." When MacCallum said that some people may have seen Bolton's comments as a threat, Pence said "I think it's more of a fact." https://www.cnn.com/2018/05/23/politics/mike-pence-north-korea-intl/index.html So in response to that the NK woman made her remarks, which ruffled Trumps feathers enough to cancel the meeting. Seriously, wtf. If they are serious about getting to the table, just the shut the eff up about anything until the meeting happens. So again, either Pence was told to say that knowing that NK would respond to it. Or Pence is just an amateur idiot at this. RE: North Korea threatens to withdraw from summit with Trump - Dill - 05-24-2018 (05-24-2018, 04:13 PM)Bengalzona Wrote: Indeed. They are already a prized collector's item. I want me one of those coins ![]() |