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RE: Protests erupt in Charlotte after police kill man; 12 officers hurt - GMDino - 09-21-2016 (09-21-2016, 10:25 PM)SunsetBengal Wrote: He doesn't need to be a suspect, he exited a vehicle, with a visible weapon, while police activity was going on. It is their job to notice him, for all they knew, he could have been there to aid and abet the warrant suspect. The rule is, obey the officer. Let them sort out their business, if you are in the right, you get to go about your business. While finding the Waco story in another response I found these too: http://www.alternet.org/civil-liberties/8-white-people-who-pointed-guns-police-officers-and-managed-not-get-killed Quote:1. Armed White Guy Has Standoff With Police, Then Gets His Gun Back RE: Protests erupt in Charlotte after police kill man; 12 officers hurt - GMDino - 09-21-2016 (09-21-2016, 11:18 PM)Vas Deferens Wrote: Vas Deferens ![]() RE: Protests erupt in Charlotte after police kill man; 12 officers hurt - Vas Deferens - 09-21-2016 (09-21-2016, 11:21 PM)SunsetBengal Wrote: You're right, bad form for my knee-jerk comment. What I really mean is that in the 1960s, approximately 20% of black children were born to single mothers, today it is over 70%. Perhaps the government should be helping to instruct these folks on how to raise the children they create, and maybe they might learn some respect for authority in the process. People can blame it on economic conditions, poor schools, etc. all that they want to. But, the simple fact remains that if the Black family unit were to see a resurgence, crime and ignorance would seriously decrease. Quit jerking your knee. You'll go blind. RE: Protests erupt in Charlotte after police kill man; 12 officers hurt - Sociopathicsteelerfan - 09-21-2016 (09-21-2016, 10:36 PM)GMDino Wrote: Could we cut the dang personal attacks? Would you include deliberately misstating someone's point to be a personal attack? Would you call someone pointing out that this was done a personal attack? You've already pointed out that raising a person's posting history is a personal attack so I just want to get your tolerance threshold confirmed. RE: Protests erupt in Charlotte after police kill man; 12 officers hurt - Sociopathicsteelerfan - 09-21-2016 (09-21-2016, 11:29 PM)GMDino Wrote: While finding the Waco story in another response I found these too: Don't forget, they bought Dylann Roof a cheeseburger! RE: Protests erupt in Charlotte after police kill man; 12 officers hurt - fredtoast - 09-21-2016 (09-21-2016, 11:14 AM)Sociopathicsteelerfan Wrote: I'm sure the more conspiratorially inclined among us will bring up a plant gun. Alex Jones had multiple children who are now part of the anti-law enforcement movement. Maybe not just the children of Alex Jones. Instead it might be brought up by a person who has knowledge of actual facts. RE: Protests erupt in Charlotte after police kill man; 12 officers hurt - GMDino - 09-21-2016 (09-21-2016, 11:31 PM)Sociopathicsteelerfan Wrote: Would you include deliberately misstating someone's point to be a personal attack? Would you call someone pointing out that this was done a personal attack? You've already pointed out that raising a person's posting history is a personal attack so I just want to get your tolerance threshold confirmed. I'm trying to get folks to stay on topic. if want to get banned feel free. I don't want to play that game. Thanks. RE: Protests erupt in Charlotte after police kill man; 12 officers hurt - GMDino - 09-21-2016 (09-21-2016, 11:32 PM)Sociopathicsteelerfan Wrote: Don't forget, they bought Dylann Roof a cheeseburger! okay? These are actual incidents where people either had guns, fired guns or aimed guns at officers and all lived. All just also happened to be white. I'm sure there are stories of blacks and Hispanics doing the same and not getting shot too...they just seem harder to find. RE: Protests erupt in Charlotte after police kill man; 12 officers hurt - Vas Deferens - 09-21-2016 (09-21-2016, 11:32 PM)Sociopathicsteelerfan Wrote: Don't forget, they bought Dylann Roof a cheeseburger! They probably deleted their Dylann Roof alerts. An act that cannot be undone. RE: Protests erupt in Charlotte after police kill man; 12 officers hurt - SunsetBengal - 09-21-2016 (09-21-2016, 11:29 PM)GMDino Wrote: While finding the Waco story in another response I found these too: Lance Tamayo? Sounds Hispanic to me... RE: Protests erupt in Charlotte after police kill man; 12 officers hurt - Sociopathicsteelerfan - 09-21-2016 (09-21-2016, 11:35 PM)fredtoast Wrote: Maybe not just the children of Alex Jones. Instead it might be brought up by a person who has knowledge of actual facts. Sadly, your inane burden of proof for police using a "pant gun", e.g the fact that it has happened on occasion during the course of human history enable the justification of just about anything. Want to profile muslims? Well they have committed terrorist acts before. Want to solve a robbery? Simply go arrest a guy who's been convicted of one in the past, he's done it before! Are you Jewish? Don't go to Germany, they've killed Jews before, it's not safe for you there. Your inanity is matched only by your stunning lack of logic. (09-21-2016, 11:41 PM)Vas Deferens Wrote: They probably deleted their Dylann Roof alerts. An act that cannot be undone. This is probably true. ![]() RE: Protests erupt in Charlotte after police kill man; 12 officers hurt - fredtoast - 09-21-2016 (09-21-2016, 11:21 PM)SunsetBengal Wrote: You're right, bad form for my knee-jerk comment. What I really mean is that in the 1960s, approximately 20% of black children were born to single mothers, today it is over 70%. Perhaps the government should be helping to instruct these folks on how to raise the children they create, and maybe they might learn some respect for authority in the process. People can blame it on economic conditions, poor schools, etc. all that they want to. But, the simple fact remains that if the Black family unit were to see a resurgence, crime and ignorance would seriously decrease. Since 1965 the percentage of black children born to a single mother has gone up 250% Since 1965 the percentage of white children born to a single mother has increased 700% So why shouldn't the government also be instructing white people how to raise the children they create? Why are you not concerned about the white family unit? RE: Protests erupt in Charlotte after police kill man; 12 officers hurt - GMDino - 09-21-2016 (09-21-2016, 11:43 PM)SunsetBengal Wrote: Lance Tamayo? Sounds Hispanic to me... Ok...seven. Oh, and he got leniency. http://fox5sandiego.com/2015/06/22/man-gets-3-month-sentence-for-waving-gun-at-cops/ A man who was shot after a confrontation with San Diego police at Mission Bay Park last summer was sentenced Monday. Quote:Lance Tamayo, 46, was sentenced to 180 days in jail and three years probation, along with community service. He pleaded guilty in April to a felony charge of exhibiting a firearm in the presence of a police officer in an attempt to avoid arrest. RE: Protests erupt in Charlotte after police kill man; 12 officers hurt - Sociopathicsteelerfan - 09-21-2016 (09-21-2016, 11:43 PM)SunsetBengal Wrote: Lance Tamayo? Sounds Hispanic to me... I could describe several instances of armed black people being taken into custody without shots fired. The fact is it happens far more often than people would think. The scenario would play into that quite a bit. Armed suspects are talked down and arrested all the time, far more often than police shootings. GMDabo found a site that only pointed out when this happened to white people because that fits his preferred narrative and theirs. That site crapped their list into a bowl and he got his spoon out post haste. RE: Protests erupt in Charlotte after police kill man; 12 officers hurt - fredtoast - 09-21-2016 (09-21-2016, 11:45 PM)Sociopathicsteelerfan Wrote: Sadly, your inane burden of proof for police using a "pant gun", e.g the fact that it has happened on occasion during the course of human history enable the justification of just about anything. Want to profile muslims? Well they have committed terrorist acts before. Want to solve a robbery? Simply go arrest a guy who's been convicted of one in the past, he's done it before! Are you Jewish? Don't go to Germany, they've killed Jews before, it's not safe for you there. My argument was based on fact. I posted proof that it actually happens. Your argument that it does not happen and is only in the imagination of conspiracy theorist has been proven wrong. You can try to spin it anyway you want, but I have proven that it is not just something from the imagination of a conspiracy theorist. Obviously only a small percentage of police get caught planting a gun. So it happens a lot more than you like to pretend. RE: Protests erupt in Charlotte after police kill man; 12 officers hurt - SunsetBengal - 09-21-2016 (09-21-2016, 11:45 PM)fredtoast Wrote: Since 1965 the percentage of black children born to a single mother has gone up 250% Good question, specifically as many more white people are shot by the police than black. RE: Protests erupt in Charlotte after police kill man; 12 officers hurt - Sociopathicsteelerfan - 09-22-2016 (09-21-2016, 11:50 PM)fredtoast Wrote: My argument was based on fact. I posted proof that it actually happens. All my examples actually happen(ed) too. Quote:Your argument that it does not happen and is only in the imagination of conspiracy theorist has been proven wrong. Incorrect. As shown in my examples the fact that something has happened is not a good basis for saying it just happened again. You'd probably need something called evidence to come to this conclusion. If you lack said evidence and state your opinion based on the mere fact that it has happened over the course of human existence you are in Alex Jones conspiracy land. Quote:You can try to spin it anyway you want, but I have proven that it is not just something from the imagination of a conspiracy theorist. No spin, just straightforward facts. Quote:Obviously only a small percentage of police get caught planting a gun. So it happens a lot more than you like to pretend. Haha, as an attorney you should be ashamed of yourself for this statement. You basically said, "I know it happens a lot more than the few instances that have been actually proven!" In one statement you've made a bigger bad actor LEO comment than any ever made on this board. Oh man, coming from a DPD that is priceless! RE: Protests erupt in Charlotte after police kill man; 12 officers hurt - GMDino - 09-22-2016 (09-21-2016, 11:49 PM)Sociopathicsteelerfan Wrote: I could describe several instances of armed black people being taken into custody without shots fired. The fact is it happens far more often than people would think. The scenario would play into that quite a bit. Armed suspects are talked down and arrested all the time, far more often than police shootings. GMDabo found a site that only pointed out when this happened to white people because that fits his preferred narrative and theirs. That site crapped their list into a bowl and he got his spoon out post haste. But you won't. You'll attack the messenger. The post I quoted: Quote:He doesn't need to be a suspect, he exited a vehicle, with a visible weapon, while police activity was going on. The site I quoted showed multiple times where a person with a gun , sometimes aiming it at the police, did not get shot. That leads to the questions about why other times the victim is shot. I was directly addressing the supposition that having a gun is asking to get shot. Clearly it is not. Clearly the police do not shoot EVERY person they interact with, gun or no. But that does not mean we can not question why a man in Tulsa is dead when he didn't have a weapon. Or a man who told police he had a gun is dead. Or a guy standing outside his car his dead. RE: Protests erupt in Charlotte after police kill man; 12 officers hurt - GMDino - 09-22-2016 As I said earlier the advent of the personal video camera has increased the times these type of incidents will get noticed. https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/the-watch/wp/2016/09/20/aclu-audio-recording-captures-connecticut-state-police-conspiring-to-fabricate-criminal-charges/?utm_term=.a98659b56818 Quote:ACLU: Audio recording captures Connecticut state police conspiring to fabricate criminal charges Does that mean it happens all the time or even more often than not? No. Probably not. Does that mean it DOES happen and people should stop saying it never does? Yes. Probably so. RE: Protests erupt in Charlotte after police kill man; 12 officers hurt - BmorePat87 - 09-22-2016 (09-21-2016, 04:49 PM)Sociopathicsteelerfan Wrote: Not even remotely what I said. I was directly responding to your assertion that "respect the cop" does not work. I was responding to someone who said that 99% of these are people not respecting cops. That's a good argument when we have guys charging cops, but it's a shitty argument when we're shooting guys sitting in their cars at traffic stops, standing with their arms raised against their car, and being tackled and tazed by two guys outside of a gas station. I'm not even "anti-cop". I've only had one experience with an asshole cop, the rest have been great. I just think it's dumb to write it off as "well, they clearly just aren't respecting cops". I've argued for justifiable use of force before. I'm not some facebook social justice warrior crying foul when a kid with a gun aims it towards cops when they're chasing him because he robbed someone. |