(06-24-2020, 07:29 PM)TheLeonardLeap Wrote: Welcome to the 3rd largest landmass country in the world, which also has a decentralized government that is largely based around personal freedoms, and as a kicker has a 2,000 mile border with a country that is essentially run by cartels.

(06-24-2020, 07:33 PM)fredtoast Wrote: Yeah right, The glut of guns in the United States come from Mexico.

(06-24-2020, 07:53 PM)GMDino Wrote: I don't disagree that guns are generally a problem here more than anywhere else in the world.

(06-24-2020, 06:59 PM)fredtoast Wrote: You made some claims but they are not true.

Quote:High powered rifle rounds are obviously much more lethal than handguns, but because of the lack of major organs in your legs you are much less likely to die from a would to the leg instead of the head or body.  A SCIENTIFIC STUDY THAT PROVES THIS HAS ALREADY BEEN POSTED.

Quote:So I say you are wrong.

Quote: You can make up claims all day, but you have no real credibility.  In the same exact post where you claimed that a shot to the leg is only "slightly less lethal" you also claimed that the cop who shot Rashard Brooks would never face charges and would get his job back because he was being mistreated.

Quote:So you can keep telling everyone how smart you are, but based on how wrong you are about so many things it doesn't really matter what you say.

In fact you can't even keep track of the issue we are discussing.

(06-24-2020, 01:49 PM)Sociopathicsteelerfan Wrote: Outstanding, thank you for providing a source, albeit extremely limited ins cope, to try and prove your point.  However, I must again claim superior knowledge.  Your study is almost exclusively on hand gun rounds.  Literally the only rifle round in the study, a 7.62x39mm typically fired from an AK platform, caused a fatal wound.  As your IDF buddies are all firing rifle rounds, likely 5.56mm NATO (btw a higher velocity round than 7.62x39 which will cause a larger stretch cavity) your study is useless in evaluating their tactics.  Unless you want to use the only rifle round in the study, you know the one that caused a fatality.  Appreciate the self own on your part.

(06-24-2020, 09:42 PM)Dill Wrote: LOL all smoke and I'm pretty sure anyone following this debate can tell.  

Your claim that leg shots are only "slightly" less lethal arose in discussion of police violence/killings in the US--police who typically use hand guns.

So the "limited" study of handgun wounds addresses YOUR claim directly. Nothing to do with the IDF.

Is 1 still "slightly less" than 84"?

(06-24-2020, 09:51 PM)bfine32 Wrote: I'll say this:
I'd say shots to the torso are more deadly to the person that you intended to shoot than a shot to the leg.

I'll also say:
An aimed shot to the leg is more likely to miss than an aimed shot to the torso. A missed shot is more likely to hit an innocent bystander than a sot that hits the target.

So are you advocating we aim for the leg? 

(06-24-2020, 10:02 PM)GMDino Wrote: Closing your eyes and shooting randomly is more likely to hurt an innocent bystander too.  How many hypothetical situations should we look at so you can have his back?  

Quote:Before the vote, Republican Leader Mitch McConnell urged Democrats to vote to allow "discussion, debate and votes on amendments" on the GOP bill and chided them for their reported reluctance to vote to advance the bill.

"We're ready to make a law not just make a point," McConnell had said of Senate Republicans. On Wednesday, he called the decision of Democrats to block the bill "political nonsense elevated to an art form."

Minority Leader Chuck Schumer Wednesday called the now-failed Republican policing bill "fundamentally and irrevocably flawed" and said it could not be amended, despite calls from Republicans to allow a debate to go forward.

Quote:"So far they're trying to get away with murder, actually. The murder of George Floyd,"

(06-24-2020, 10:03 PM)GMDino Wrote: Remember just do what you're told even if you are completely innocent because the police are always right until they aren't.  

(06-24-2020, 09:42 PM)Dill Wrote: LOL all smoke and I'm pretty sure anyone following this debate can tell.  

Your claim that leg shots are only "slightly" less lethal arose in discussion of police violence/killings in the US--police who typically use hand guns.

So the "limited" study of handgun wounds addresses YOUR claim directly. Nothing to do with the IDF.

Is 1 still "slightly less" than 84"?

(06-24-2020, 09:51 PM)bfine32 Wrote: I'll say this:
I'd say shots to the torso are more deadly to the person that you intended to shoot than a shot to the leg.

I'll also say:
An aimed shot to the leg is more likely to miss than an aimed shot to the torso. A missed shot is more likely to hit an innocent bystander than a sot that hits the target.

So are you advocating we aim for the leg? 

(06-24-2020, 10:14 PM)bfine32 Wrote: I don't recommend anyone close their eyes and shoot randomly. Unsure what was hypothetical in my post. I assume SSF was the "back I had"; however, I disagreed with the torso shot verses leg shot lethality. 

But I'm sure you thought you had a point in your head, but most likely are disappointed once you actually see it in type. 

(06-24-2020, 09:28 PM)Sociopathicsteelerfan Wrote: This is a bold faced lie. The study posted used only pistol rounds, which you finally agreed, once you looked foolish for several posts, are far more lethal.  

(06-25-2020, 10:07 AM)GMDino Wrote: I'm still against shooting an unarmed person in the back as they run away.  But maybe that's just me.

Quote:3 North Carolina police officers fired over racist rants


WILMINGTON, N.C.
Three members of a North Carolina police department have been fired after a department audit of a video recording captured one of the officers saying a civil war was necessary to wipe Black people off the map and that he was ready.


The Wilmington Police Department took the action on Tuesday against Cpl. Jessie Moore, and officers Kevin Piner and Brian Gilmore. Each was accused of violating standards of conduct, criticism and use of inappropriate jokes and slurs. After conferring with the city council, Wilmington City Manager Sterling Cheatham cleared Police Chief Donny Williams to release the details.


“When I first learned of these conversations, I was shocked, saddened and disgusted,” Williams said at a news conference on Wednesday. 
“There is no place for this behavior in our agency or our city and it will not be tolerated.”

According to documents released by the police department, a sergeant was conducting a video audit as part of a monthly inspection and was reviewing footage from Piner’s car that had been classified as “accidental activation.” After the sergeant listened to the conversation and determined comments made by Piner and Moore were “extremely racist,” she contacted the department administrator for the camera system.


At the 46-minute mark of the video, Piner and Gilmore began talking from their respective cars, at which time Piner criticized the department, saying its only concern was “kneeling down with the black folks.” About 30 minutes later, Piner received a phone call from Moore, according to the investigation, a segment in which Moore referred to a Black female as a “negro.” He also referred to the woman by using a racial slur. He repeated the use of the slur in describing a Black magistrate, and Moore used a gay slur to describe the magistrate as well.


Later, according to the investigation, Piner told Moore that he feels a civil war is coming and that he is ready. Piner said he was going to buy a new assault rifle, and soon “we are just going to go out and start slaughtering them (expletive)” Blacks. “I can’t wait. God, I can’t wait.” Moore responded that he wouldn’t do that.

Piner then told Moore that he felt a civil war was needed to “wipe them off the (expletive) map. That’ll put them back about four or five generations.” Moore told Piner he was “crazy,” and the recording stopped a short time later.


According to police, the officers admitted it was their voices on the video and didn’t deny any of the content. While the officers denied that they were racists, they blamed their comments on the stress on law enforcement in light of the protests over the death of George Floyd. Floyd, a Black man, died last month after a Minneapolis police officer put his knee on Floyd’s neck for several minutes.


In addition to being fired, cases involving the Wilmington officers will be reviewed by the district attorney’s office to determine if they committed any crimes or showed bias toward criminal defendants. Williams said he will recommend the three officers not be rehired by notifying the N.C. Criminal Justice Training and Standards Commission about their behavior.

(06-24-2020, 09:51 PM)bfine32 Wrote: I'll say this:
I'd say shots to the torso are more deadly to the person that you intended to shoot than a shot to the leg.

I'll also say:
An aimed shot to the leg is more likely to miss than an aimed shot to the torso. A missed shot is more likely to hit an innocent bystander than a sot that hits the target.

So are you advocating we aim for the leg? 

(06-24-2020, 09:28 PM)Sociopathicsteelerfan Wrote:

Fredtoast: Wrote:You made some claims but they are not true.

No, they’re all true.

Quote: Wrote:High powered rifle rounds are obviously much more lethal than handguns, but because of the lack of major organs in your legs you are much less likely to die from a would to the leg instead of the head or body.  A SCIENTIFIC STUDY THAT PROVES THIS HAS ALREADY BEEN POSTED.

This is a bold faced lie. The study posted used only pistol rounds, which you finally agreed, once you looked foolish for several posts, are far more lethal. 

Quote: Wrote:So I say you are wrong.

Seeing as you’ve proven you know nothing about firearms no one should care what you have to say in the subject.

Quote: Wrote:You can make up claims all day, but you have no real credibility.  In the same exact post where you claimed that a shot to the leg is only "slightly less lethal" you also claimed that the cop who shot Rashard Brooks would never face charges and would get his job back because he was being mistreated.

Yeah, my bad. I mistakenly thought the Fulton County DA was a professional and not a politically motivated, contradictory, fraud.

Quote: Wrote:So you can keep telling everyone how smart you are, but based on how wrong you are about so many things it doesn't really matter what you say.   In fact you can't even keep track of the issue we are discussing.

Simmer down,Freddy you’ll shoot in your pants. You’re wholly ignorant in this subject. Quit trying to obscure your obvious embarrassment and quit while you’re behind.