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RE: Trump Is Giving This Country Its Identity Back - oncemoreuntothejimbreech - 04-17-2017 (04-17-2017, 05:54 PM)BFritz21 Wrote: Syria crossed the line with the using of chemical weapons and it got to the point where it no longer can be annoyed. Syria did exactly the same thing which prompted Trump to advise Obama to not use force in Syria. Quote:North Korea also crossed a red line and took it to a point where it can no longer be ignored. What red line? What action? Quote:Good leaders adapt. Exactly? You said they bombed the tunnels before they became a threat. Now you're agreeing with me the tunnels were bombed because they had already become a threat. Quote:Sounds like the move of a good leader to me. Oh, so China really is a currency manipulator, but Trump is lying to us because he needs China? Quote:That's what good leaders do. So you have heard him say things just to be popular. RE: Trump Is Giving This Country Its Identity Back - GMDino - 04-17-2017 (04-17-2017, 12:17 PM)bfine32 Wrote: As I said a 100 times: Everybody wanted a Washington outsider until we got one. (04-17-2017, 04:27 PM)bfine32 Wrote: If you feel that way, that's on you. I'm of the opinion he chose Charles Manson as an example for a reason; you and others can suggest he did no such thing. The reason was to show how unqualified Trump was as an outside Candidate. But I will carry on. (04-17-2017, 05:25 PM)bfine32 Wrote: Next on "As The Board Turns" (04-17-2017, 12:35 PM)GMDino Wrote: I believe a sane, rational, non con artist would be more accepted. But some just want to focus on the "outsider" part of the equation. (04-17-2017, 01:16 PM)GMDino Wrote: Calling him the "perfect outsider" while denying you support him and missing the point of my comparison let's me know you just want to argue and not face the reality of who Trump was/is. In other words: Stop. RE: Trump Is Giving This Country Its Identity Back - BFritz21 - 04-17-2017 (04-17-2017, 06:18 PM)oncemoreuntothejimbreech Wrote: Syria did exactly the same thing which prompted Trump to advise Obama to not use force in Syria.He was against it at first, but then he told Obama not to seek congressional approval because Syria would know that it's coming. Trump also said he was against sending troops into Syria, which he didn't do when we just bombed them. (04-17-2017, 06:18 PM)oncemoreuntothejimbreech Wrote: What red line? What action? The symbolic red line where you say "cross this and we'll take action." And the action is Trump sent the carrier into South China Sea and is telling North Korea that they're playing with fire and he has been preparing/considering a strike if they keep acting a fool. (04-17-2017, 06:18 PM)oncemoreuntothejimbreech Wrote: Exactly? You said they bombed the tunnels before they became a threat. Now you're agreeing with me the tunnels were bombed because they had already become a threat.Maybe they were becoming more of a threat? What's the difference? I think you're arguing this point just to argue because he took action where it needed to be taken. (04-17-2017, 06:18 PM)oncemoreuntothejimbreech Wrote: Oh, so China really is a currency manipulator, but Trump is lying to us because he needs China?Maybe or maybe he has come to the conclusion that they're not. Good leaders adapt positions when need-be or when new information is known. (04-17-2017, 06:18 PM)oncemoreuntothejimbreech Wrote: So you have heard him say things just to be popular.When did I EVER say that? He's listening to the people around him and changing with what needs to be done. If he kept doing things that didn't need to be done or were wrong, you'd be bitching at him for that. Good leaders adapt to what needs to be done, so why are you hating him for it? RE: Trump Is Giving This Country Its Identity Back - ballsofsteel - 04-18-2017 Thump is showing the world how tough he is. He bombed an airfield in Syria with 59 tomahawk missiles that cost a million bucks a piece. The airfield was up and running the next day. He dropped the mother of all bombs (cost unknown) on a remote location in Afghanistan and supposedly killed 26 Isis followers. How exactly did our govt. determine that if everything was obliterated? More BS Thump is the ultimate Flip Flopper. Why don't he release his tax returns? What doesn't he want us to see? Is Thump practicing to go on the PGA tour? Thump doesn't want to be president. Let him resign. The mannequin isn't much better but better than whats in there. Thump is an embarrassment. RE: Trump Is Giving This Country Its Identity Back - Vas Deferens - 04-18-2017 (04-18-2017, 07:03 AM)ballsofsteel Wrote: Is Thump practicing to go on the PGA tour? How many times do you think he's used a women's restroom when the men's was occupied on the track? Talk about flip flopping. RE: Trump Is Giving This Country Its Identity Back - oncemoreuntothejimbreech - 04-18-2017 (04-17-2017, 10:33 PM)BFritz21 Wrote: He was against it at first, but then he told Obama not to seek congressional approval because Syria would know that it's coming. Realizing (or admitting) NATO isn't obsolete and He needs China for political and strategic reasons isn't great leadership, it's recognizing reality. Basically, He pulled His head out of His ass. Props for that, but not being an idiot is hardly praise worthy. He flipped on Syria from one extreme to another when faced with the same situation. His opinion seems to be based upon inconsistencies rather than evidence based decision making. What's worse is His inconsistency affects policy which resulted in the use of military force which violated the same UN resolution He attacked Syria for violating at the risk of escalating an already volatile situation. RE: Trump Is Giving This Country Its Identity Back - Belsnickel - 04-18-2017 (04-17-2017, 10:33 PM)BFritz21 Wrote: Maybe or maybe he has come to the conclusion that they're not. Good leaders adapt positions when need-be or when new information is known. They haven't been for years. The sources that told him they were still doing it were right-wing conspiracy nuts. He didn't change his stance when everyone told him he was wrong when he said it, so why now? RE: Trump Is Giving This Country Its Identity Back - hollodero - 04-18-2017 (04-18-2017, 10:07 AM)oncemoreuntothejimbreech Wrote: What's worse is His inconsistency affects policy which resulted in the use of military force which violated the same UN resolution He attacked Syria for violating at the risk of escalating an already volatile situation. I'm generally with you, but I saw you writing that some time now and I'm not so sure about that. The same resolution? Banning chemical weapons is within the same resolution as not attacking souvereign countries? RE: Trump Is Giving This Country Its Identity Back - Dill - 04-18-2017 (04-17-2017, 04:05 PM)bfine32 Wrote: Welp color me as the only one that doesn't think he was comparing trump to Manson when he said Manson. What part of "beyond the point" did you miss. Slow down a little. Parse analogies before you dismiss them. What is and is not being compared? Settle that first before shouting "He said Trump and Manson in the same sentence!" RE: Trump Is Giving This Country Its Identity Back - Dill - 04-18-2017 (04-18-2017, 07:03 AM)ballsofsteel Wrote: He dropped the mother of all bombs (cost unknown) on a remote location in Afghanistan and supposedly killed 26 Isis followers. How exactly did our govt. determine that if everything was obliterated? That was easy, Balls. They found the front desk to the tunnel system and compared the list of "checked in" to "Checked out". RE: Trump Is Giving This Country Its Identity Back - Dill - 04-18-2017 (04-17-2017, 10:33 PM)BFritz21 Wrote: And the action is Trump sent the carrier into South China Sea and is telling North Korea that they're playing with fire and he has been preparing/considering a strike if they keep acting a fool. Two Questions: What will happen if Trump sends 59 Tomahawk missiles into North Korea for testing a missile? What will North Korea do? Will Kim say "Ok Ok. No more tests"? Or will an artillery barrage fall on Seoul? Or something else? What options does he have, in your view? I am not asking about the wisdom of Trump's new engagement with North Korea. I am just asking what YOU think Kim's options are. Trump changed his position on China after a half hour discussion with Xi. Then he told the world that is what happened. From this, what should other world leaders conclude about Trump's decision making skills? They have already learned that he believes Breitbart over his own CIA and FBI. Ivanka may have swayed his Syria policy, along with pictures of gassed children. Will they see Trump as a strong, capable leader reacting to new intel or someone being schooled in foreign policy basics as he lurches from one action to another, following his feelings and approval polls? Regarding the last question. I keep hearing two conflicting messages from Trump supporters. One is that Trump is sending the world leaders "messages" of some sort, and now they respect us. And this seems very important to them--part of making America great again. Rush and Hannity were bragging yesterday that his "diplomacy" had moved China to action. The other message is that they don't care what other world leaders think. And we don't need China or diplomacy or policies that require us to work with others to effect international political goals. So I am just trying to sort out where you are at on this issue. RE: Trump Is Giving This Country Its Identity Back - Belsnickel - 04-18-2017 (04-17-2017, 10:33 PM)BFritz21 Wrote: When did I EVER say that? I'm still waiting for people that were with him on bashing Obama for golfing so much to start bashing him for golfing much more than Obama. Is that good leadership, realizing that the job is hard and so you remove yourself from it even more than your predecessor, whom you berated for doing it far less often? RE: Trump Is Giving This Country Its Identity Back - Vas Deferens - 04-18-2017 (04-18-2017, 12:25 PM)Dill Wrote: Trump changed his position on China after a half hour discussion with Xi. Then he told the world that is what happened. Maybe he changed his mind after ivanka's china TM requests were approved the same day as their mara largo steak dinner with Xi... Draining the swamp fo sho. (04-18-2017, 01:00 PM)Belsnickel Wrote: I'm still waiting for people that were with him on bashing Obama for golfing so much to start bashing him for golfing much more than Obama. Is that good leadership, realizing that the job is hard and so you remove yourself from it even more than your predecessor, whom you berated for doing it far less often? Don't hold your breath on anyone even admitting they bashed obama about that, just like its hard to find anyone that will admit to voting for Daddy. RE: Trump Is Giving This Country Its Identity Back - Vas Deferens - 04-18-2017 Maybe his resident PR rep can get a response from him on this one... Obama vacations costing taxpayers over 70.5 Million (12-17-2015, 10:03 PM)StLucieBengal Wrote: http://www.mcclatchydc.com/news/politics-government/white-house/article50172810.html.. RE: Trump Is Giving This Country Its Identity Back - oncemoreuntothejimbreech - 04-18-2017 (04-18-2017, 11:56 AM)hollodero Wrote: I'm generally with you, but I saw you writing that some time now and I'm not so sure about that. The same resolution? Banning chemical weapons is within the same resolution as not attacking souvereign countries? Noncompliance with UN Resolution 2118, including the use of chemical weapons, should be directed to the UN General Assembly and Security Council. Use of military force secondary to noncompliance would require a separate vote on a resolution specifically for military intervention. RE: Trump Is Giving This Country Its Identity Back - bfine32 - 04-18-2017 (04-18-2017, 01:00 PM)Belsnickel Wrote: I'm still waiting for people that were with him on bashing Obama for golfing so much to start bashing him for golfing much more than Obama. Why are you waiting on this? My advice would be to move forward. RE: Trump Is Giving This Country Its Identity Back - BmorePat87 - 04-18-2017 I was legitimately curious how Trump supporters would react to his reversal on campaign positions. They seem to be 100% on board. RE: Trump Is Giving This Country Its Identity Back - Belsnickel - 04-18-2017 (04-18-2017, 03:17 PM)BmorePat87 Wrote: I was legitimately curious how Trump supporters would react to his reversal on campaign positions. They seem to be 100% on board. Eh, not so much. There are plenty of people unhappy with the way things are going. But I wouldn't say they are the majority. RE: Trump Is Giving This Country Its Identity Back - GMDino - 04-18-2017 (04-18-2017, 03:17 PM)BmorePat87 Wrote: I was legitimately curious how Trump supporters would react to his reversal on campaign positions. They seem to be 100% on board. (04-18-2017, 03:20 PM)Belsnickel Wrote: Eh, not so much. There are plenty of people unhappy with the way things are going. But I wouldn't say they are the majority. The ones I know personally fall into three categories: 1) They completely deny that he is "flip flopping". They insist he is just growing and evolving his opinion. They also deny that he really meant anything he said before he was elected. 2) This group hate 90% of the things he has "done" or proposed and admit they do not like what he is doing but refuse to admit they might have made a poor choice because....(fill in the blank with any Clinton conspiracy) and/or they want to "give him a chance" since they voted for someone with no experience handling the job. 3) They ignore it all. Say he is making America great again and give him credit for every good thing that happens and blames the "libruls" and "rhinos" for any bad thing. This group also want Clinton in jail, beleive the wall is being started already and that Trump is smarter than everyone. Except them, of course. RE: Trump Is Giving This Country Its Identity Back - GMDino - 04-18-2017 I wonder if our "identity" is one of passing the buck when we mess up? https://www.nytimes.com/2017/04/18/world/asia/aircraft-carrier-north-korea-carl-vinson.html?_r=1 Quote:As worries deepened last week about whether North Korea would conduct a missile test, the White House declared that ordering an American aircraft carrier into the Sea of Japan would send a powerful deterrent signal and give President Trump more options in responding to the North’s provocative behavior. |