(08-17-2017, 01:42 PM)RICHMONDBENGAL_07 Wrote: For what ever reason it wouldn't let me quote the text of your link.  Weird.  Anywho this term "antifa" is new to me.  According to your article "antifa" means anti-fascists.  Am I correct?  If so, am I also correct that your article is claiming that "antifa" is in fact fascists?  Just checking to see if I read this right.

(08-18-2017, 12:47 PM)StLucieBengal Wrote: They are anti fascists but there is more to the story.  It goes back to the reds fighting back versus the brown shorts in Germany.   Reds being the communists.  They were an outlet of the soviets spreading communism.  

In the end the Germans sided with the brown shirts because they knew communism was a disaster.  

There is a reason when you see any antifa video they are flying the Soviet flag, and calling each other comrade.

(08-18-2017, 12:47 PM)StLucieBengal Wrote: They are anti fascists but there is more to the story.  It goes back to the reds fighting back versus the brown shorts in Germany.   Reds being the communists.  They were an outlet of the soviets spreading communism.  

In the end the Germans sided with the brown shirts because they knew communism was a disaster.  

There is a reason when you see any antifa video they are flying the Soviet flag, and calling each other comrade.

(08-18-2017, 12:52 PM)Benton Wrote: I don't think Nazism — or socialism in general — was the way to go, either.

(08-18-2017, 12:47 PM)StLucieBengal Wrote: They are anti fascists but there is more to the story.  It goes back to the reds fighting back versus the brown shorts in Germany.   Reds being the communists.  They were an outlet of the soviets spreading communism.  

In the end the Germans sided with the brown shirts because they knew communism was a disaster.  

There is a reason when you see any antifa video they are flying the Soviet flag, and calling each other comrade.

(08-18-2017, 12:57 PM)GMDino Wrote: Well the Communists were our allies to fight the Nazis once...I'm okay with it again.

Note: Not an endorsement of communism, rather an endorsement of being anti-Nazi.

(08-18-2017, 12:41 PM)RICHMONDBENGAL_07 Wrote: I'll be honest, I haven't really invested much into the topic other than what I've read in the newspapers.  And from what I've read there were a bunch of Nazis, white nationalist, and klans members protesting the removal of a statue of Robert E. Lee.  Then in turn a bunch of people who are offended by racist assholes protested against them.  To me it's really that simple. 

(08-18-2017, 01:00 PM)RICHMONDBENGAL_07 Wrote: And Hitler/Nazis was the better option?

I haven't watched any "antifa" videos period let a lone with soviet flags.  Yet I would consider myself anti-fascists and I would hope that you would be as well.  Because being anti-fascists does not mean that you are suddenly communist. Which is what you appear to be hinting at.

(08-18-2017, 01:04 PM)PhilHos Wrote: I honestly don't know if the counterprotesters in Charlottesville were antifa, though it wouldn't surprise me if SOME of them were. But antifa has really taken off since Trump's election. What's humurous to me is that what I've seen from supposed antifa groups is how very facist-like they act and sound.

(08-18-2017, 01:01 PM)StLucieBengal Wrote: You are ok with communists running around and getting violent with anyone who is not communist.   Is this all ok if sometimes they get violent with a white supremecist?  

Antifa gets violent against everyone .  Not just "Nazi's"

Just like in Germany they are here to spread communism and take on anyone who isn't a communist.

(08-18-2017, 12:58 PM)StLucieBengal Wrote: Agreed.   and the Germans voted for nationalism.   Nazism came after they gave away their power to Hitler .  

Seems like a good lesson to not give away powers here to our executive branch.    Too bad it's been going on for over 100 years.

(08-18-2017, 01:04 PM)PhilHos Wrote: I honestly don't know if the counterprotesters in Charlottesville were antifa, though it wouldn't surprise me if SOME of them were. But antifa has really taken off since Trump's election. What's humurous to me is that what I've seen from supposed antifa groups is how very facist-like they act and sound.

(08-18-2017, 01:15 PM)Benton Wrote: I don't think it's an executive branch issue, it's more of a one party issue.

When you get down to it, there's not a whole lot of difference in Democrats and Republicans. One favors one group or two over another, and directs tax dollars to a special interest over another, but at the end of the day, neither one is providing much different than the other guy. Regardless of midterms or the next federal election, you can pretty well bet that unless you are one of a handful of folks that: your taxes are going up (either actual rate, assessment value or other), services/effectiveness of government offered will go down and your cost of living is going to increase, likely without an increase in income. It's been that way since the 70s. The executive branch hasn't helped, no, but it extends way beyond, largely to people who aren't even elected.

(08-18-2017, 01:17 PM)RICHMONDBENGAL_07 Wrote: This whole "antifa" thing (I guess it's a "thing" now) is new to me.  In the past I would assume most people were naturally anti-fascists given it's history and the country we live in.  Unless of course racism and genocide appeal to you.

(08-18-2017, 01:11 PM)StLucieBengal Wrote: I am anti fascist, anti communist, anti leftist, anti establishment,  I just want the government out of our lives.  

But just because I am against white supremecists doesn't mean I am ok with violence by communists or any other group.     Also I would not be In. Favor of white supremecists breaking up a communist rally.  

Fact is if they have a permit they should be allowed to peacefully protest.  Ignoring them has has always seemed to work .

(08-18-2017, 01:43 PM)RICHMONDBENGAL_07 Wrote: I'm still not sure what this whole "antifa" thing is about, but it doesn't sound like anything I'd be for.  However I am anti-fascist and anti-communist.  Though I'm not quite certain what you mean by anti-leftist?  Because in a broad generality some would interpret that as communist.  However in American Politics we get a little carried away with some of these labels.  Many on the right consider those on left as communist and many on left consider those on the right as fascist...it's really just rhetoric. Neither one is really communist or fascist.  It's brought up mainly to stir emotions.

Be careful and don't step in the bullshit.

(08-18-2017, 01:40 PM)PhilHos Wrote: The antifa thing IS new, basically. This is something they've taken to calling themselves. It's just funny because they say they're anti-facist but then they shout down, sometimes violently so, opposing thoughts and ideas and do other facist-like things.

(08-18-2017, 01:01 PM)StLucieBengal Wrote: You are ok with communists running around and getting violent with anyone who is not communist. Is this all ok if sometimes they get violent with a white supremecist?

Antifa gets violent against everyone . Not just "Nazi's"

Just like in Germany they are here to spread communism and take on anyone who isn't a communist.

(08-18-2017, 01:51 PM)GMDino Wrote: http://www.slate.com/articles/news_and_politics/politics/2017/08/what_the_alt_left_was_actually_doing_in_charlottesville.html?wpsrc=sh_all_dt_fb_bot

The article discusses reports from people who were there and what the antifa did to protect them.

(08-18-2017, 01:50 PM)StLucieBengal Wrote: I am pro liberal. A true classic liberal is reasonable,respects privacy, and is actually pretty small government. The big spending liberal is a misnomer...... its this bastardized modern version of liberal that has made them basically socialists.

And antifa traces back to the RFB in Germany. Who were the enforcers for the communist party of Germany. Antifa has basically taken over as the enforcers for the democrat party.

(08-18-2017, 02:00 PM)RICHMONDBENGAL_07 Wrote: So a group calling themselves "antifa" shouting down racists assholes (who are probably shouting as well) are doing "fascist like things"?

(08-18-2017, 02:00 PM)RICHMONDBENGAL_07 Wrote: This whole argument that anti-fascist are doing fascist like things because they disagree with fascist is one of the most ridiculous arguments I think I've heard of.